itt: consternation and wailing about Zach Snyder's upcoming SUPERMAN/BATMAN film/sequel to MAN OF STEEL -- official title: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

Wonder Woman was the best part. She was mysterious and had cool theme music. Also I like how they introduced the fact that she doesn't age through a photograph, made her seem more vampiric than I usually imagine Wonder Woman.

I do not think Batman needed to lure the beast back to gotham in order to spear him. Couldn't he go get the spear and stab him away from a population center? This is why you need Robin.

Also I understand Superman and Lois are very nice forgive and forget type folks, but like, Batman tried to kill Superman. I don't think he should have been welcome at the funeral.

Kinda feel like he would a just killed the bouncers

That's true. I forgot that Batman is a mass murderer in this excellent film.

Btw, Alfred is such an enabler. What kind of father figure goes along with Bruce's insane vendetta against the underclass?

One that knows what's good for him, seeee?

i think it's negligent and he should be ashamed of himself.

More Fourth World stuff?

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/28/batman-v-superman-deleted-scene-steppenwolf

the whole film shoulda just been every damn DC character standing on a carousel and all the movie does is spin around and show all their faces, like the "Too Many Cooks" trailer.

kinda was what they were going for anyway

That's Yuga Khan obv

I have no idea why people thought Steppenwolf

NB: I think DC comics are stupid and don't care about any of this

i can think of no-one less well-suited to bring kirby's kaledoscopic madness to the silver screen than the clowns currently holding the reins :(

Otm, the man literally fought fascists

I thought it was a white martian. (Never heard of Yuga Khan - Darkseid has daddy issues now?)

yeah and they have a long drawn out fucking funeral for him that takes goddamn forever

― Neanderthal, Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:51 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha thank you for noting this, by the end i was so drunk that i kinda forgot this
(good way to watch this movie: w/ someone you liek, talking shit the whole time, with whiskey)

i don't think this has been posted yet - some more gems of wisdom from snyder on batman's willingness to murder pretty much everyone who stands in his way:

I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank himself. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

he missed his calling as a defence lawyer, clearly, cuz those justifications are 100% watertight imo

'this is totally what batman should do, guys, i got it from frank miller and a youtube video'

Thank god this dipshit is just ruining DC's movies.

Hardcore schadenfreude lols: 'Batman v Superman' Sets Record With Worst Friday-Sunday Drop For A Superhero Pic

heh, i was just coming here to post that very link!

Indeed, according to the figures I’ve compiled from Boxofficemojo.com, Batman v Superman has set a new record for the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop for a superhero movie release in modern North American box office history. In dropping 55% from its $82 million Friday debut to its $37 million gross on Sunday, it pummeled all prior records for weakness in theatrical staying power. It even beat the nearly universally reviled and now long-forgotten Fantastic Four reboot, which dropped a comparatively modest 48% across its opening weekend in the summer of 2015.

beating out fantastic four is a hell of an achievement, but snyder put the work in and he deserves the results

So basically: huge opening based mainly on presales, pretty much everyone who didn't already have tickets had time to read the reviews and chose to stay home.

The guys at the Weekly Planet podcast who put together that YT vid Snyder references came out in their most recent ep excoriating the film say straight out "you missed the fucking point, idiot,"

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

Same series that has this panel?

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/batman-the-dark-knight-returns-weapon-of-the-enemy.jpg

well, yeah

also the panel snyder references is a little ambiguous about how injured the guy batman shoots is but for sure he's not 'shot right between the eyes' and later on in the book other characters explicitly mention that batman's never killed. that's the whole fucking reason his refusal to kill the joker later actually has any dramatic weight!

But let's be honest, Batman is prety much just Rambo. He's a tower of muscle, murdering everyone indiscriminately. That's the whole appeal of the character, that he's such a psychopathic badass who's always covered in his victims' viscera and always has heavy metal SQUEEDLYDEEDLYDEEEEEE music playing in the background every time he mashes someone's skull into paste (i.e. whenever he's awake).

Wow, this guy's kind of an idiot: Zack Snyder Loves Superman, And 'Batman V Superman' Proves It. First, he loved the movie (his words). But he tries to prove the article's titular point by using plot points to show Snyder's affection for the Superman in his own movie when really the point that everyone makes about Snyder neither loving nor understanding Superman is that he pretty blatantly ignored most of a prior century's worth of depictions of the character.

I don't mind so much that there are people that like this movie out there, just that every one of them wants their opinion accepted as the consensus one and get butthurt that it isn't.

Forbes contributor kind of an idiot shocker

I mean...as recently as Batman Begins he pulls the "not gonna kill you, don't have to save you" crap. Snyder's not completely in the wrong.

that's p far removed from plugging a buncha dudes not because they're committing a crime but because well you want their kryptonite

Or portraying Batmam as the Punisher with slightly modified iconography

tbf tho Keaton's Batman didn't give two shits about killing. set people on fire with the fumes of his ride iirc

tho it wasn't something he *set out to do*

the flamethrowing in batman returns was definitely deliberate, quite mean imo

it was also cartoon logic, the Batmobile basically pulling a Bugs Bunny. the same movie ends with an army of penguins shooting rockets.

quite possible the dude on fire ran around yelping for a while before leaping into a tiny glass of water and breathing a sigh of relief

the flamethrowing in batman returns was definitely deliberate, quite mean imo

― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:12 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean he didn't set out each night to put criminals in a bodybag, in that instance it was a spur of the moment action largely bourne out of opportunism.

whereas this Batman is more pre-meditated and when he doesn't kill the criminals he brands them so that they'll get killed in prison.

I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

So Batman is a complete moral idiot. Gotcha.

I still don't really get how so many smart people care about any of this.

it's terrible but not worse than burton batman tbqh

i think burton understood that batman was mostly a villain and didn't attempt to give him moral high grounds (like that "I don't have to save you" at the end of B Begins).

The moral handwringing about this movie's portrayal of these characters feels largely disingenuous IMO

People all of a sudden are pretending to care about Superman.

The movie sucks, who cares. Bleh.

This is one messy movie, but it doesn't make me angry like The Avengers did, and continues to do, because people for some reason list it as a good example of superhero movie making and not the leading cause of the genre's shitty aspects.

and what might those be?

I see we've made it to the challops portion of our program.

I like the Marvel movies but Avengers is just 90 mins of twatting around on a flying boat followed by a terrible fight scene.

Iron Man 3 and Agent Carter are both best things to come out of this (for me, anyway)

Neither of the Avengers movies are among my MCU favorites, but there's a wide gulf between that perspective and believing that the first movie is the 'leading cause of the genre's shitty aspects'.

i'm really only in it for the twatting

Yeah, I think the first Iron Man kickstarted the Marvel template - 75% twatting; 25% terrible fight scenes - and Avengers just ran with that.

tbf tho Keaton's Batman didn't give two shits about killing. set people on fire with the fumes of his ride iirc

― Neanderthal, Thursday, March 31, 2016 3:38 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Even though the murder rate was pretty small, Batman randomly offing goons in the Burton Batmans still seemed out of character at the time, tbh.

Also worth remembering that in the 90s there were those that insisted Batman wasn't edgy enough and should be allowed to go around shooting bad guys in the head like The Punisher. The writers' riposte to this was to create Azrael, essentially a temporary replacement Batman who was an unhinged psychopath that killed indiscriminately, as a way of saying, "See, this is why Batman shouldn't do this."

I feel like the Snyder Batman is closer to the Azrael version than we should probably be comfortable with.

100% otm

I don't even remember Keaton killing people. The movie is so cartoony (in a good way) it didn't really register to me as "death" anyway - not like, you know, consciously snapping a dude's neck