itt: consternation and wailing about Zach Snyder's upcoming SUPERMAN/BATMAN film/sequel to MAN OF STEEL -- official title: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

The in-dream time travel warning was such incoherent film-making. It's not only unresolved in this movie, it's also irrelevant to this movie!

"Comics lovers" don't even get comics tho, which is the thing xpost

comics aren't just for kids anymore

at least they didn't retcon krypto into being some sort of snarling rottweiler or something.
Right? RIGHT?!?!?!?!

― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:25 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

DC already did the next best thing:

Then: http://www.cartoonscrapbook.com/01pics-L/super-friends-73_L13.jpg
Now: https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/wondedog-kills-marvin.jpg

people saying DC put Marvel "on notice" with this movie is kinda hilarious, like it's any threat to the Marvel empire. even if the movie remains a financial success, it's not going to steal any audience from those films, nor cause them to change anything about the strategy they've so meticulously laid out.

Did you know they already have a solo movie planned for the character that you (and probably 90% of this movie's audience) didn't even recognize? Look out, Marvel!

Oh look, future plot ideas:

http://wfcomicsblog.blogspot.com/2013/12/worlds-finest-247-november-1977.html?m=1

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 18 Sep 2013

Everyone should calm down. @BenAffleck is going to do a great job as Batman.

snyder can't even do cheap pathos properly ffs - you can't expect your audience to fear their hero is dead from a spike in the chest 20 minutes after he's already shrugged off a point-blank nuclear detonation

the whole thing is so po-faced and it's not even earned. Snyder is one of those dudes who isn't very smart himself, but thinks himself the smartest guy in the room, so he fears people aren't getting it and has his characters narrate their feelings in case their faces didn't sell it (which with Cavill is usually the case).

also has the same issue that (the far better) Straight Outta Compton had where they over-explain the obvious (and yet there were some other moments that could have used some elaboration that Snyder just felt ehh fuck it the nerds will get it).

I still love that to buy Luthor as the puppetmaster of this whole fight, you have to basically accept that he lets his own crew get murdered by Batman to obtain the Kryptonite that he actually wanted him to have anyway.

instead of, y'know, pulling Batman aside and sayin "hey I got something you'll like", considering nobody knows Lex is a criminal yet in this version of Supes. I mean the dude is telling members of the US Senate he has Kryptonite and proposes using it as a preventive measure!

I like the theory better that he's a disturbed idiot that likes to take credit for masterminding the superman/Bat fight but really it just happened organically and he retconned it to be his idea.

is it true that there is a big scene where Batman busts in somewhere to steal kryptonite but fails and then later does it successfully off-camera?

yes. Batman ices a bunch of henchmen in a car chase, and right as he's about to steal it, superman fucks up his ride, then says "Next time someone shines your batsignal, don't show up. You're finished. Consider this mercy."

then he flies off. and a few minutes later they show Lex Luthor going to his building with police/etc and security all swarming the place and it's clear someone broke in and there's a broken case which presumably had the Kryptonite and inside there's one of those metal Batman insignia things that he likes to brand people with, lying in the case.

so basically....it's the "Off Limits" sketch from The State.

Red Letter guys perceptive as usual, especially the observation that Luthor (and most of everyone except Batman) is essentially motiveless, and that Jesse's Luthor works better as the chaos driven Joker than as a super genius schemer. And that dour Superman fails as a counter to Batman, except that Batman would not hate innately good Superman, so Supes has to be a glum jerk. And that certain scenes (like the apparent bombing of congress and the attempted theft of kryptonite?) literally do not need to exist, whereas scenes that should exist (like the actual theft of kryptonite) apparently don't exist! And that it makes no sense that Luthor would have a file on other superheroes, let alone heroes with their own logos (!). Etc.

Also liked their suggestion that DC just give up and hand all the characters to Marvel.

Needless to say, I haven't seen this and the last one and don't want to. But I guess a lot of people do/did, at least this past weekend.

if you've seen the trailer, you've seen the movie.

like my friend keeps insisting "if you don't cheer when Wonder Woman shows up, you must be dead inside".

oh, you mean that scene that I've already seen 57 times for the last 5 months because they inexplicably included it in the trailer? yeah, forgive me for not being excited for something I knew was coming and was already sick of.

I heard they added some techno-grunge music to pair with her arrival.

couldn't hear it over the cum-sounds from people in the theatre

It's more like a quasi-"immigrant song" tribal drums and yelling kinda thing. It was pretty hilarious (unintentionally).

Intro-ing Wonder Woman with the actual 'Immigrant Song' sounds pretty badass. Snyder should've shelled out a few clams for the rights.

Dude on my FB mentioned something about Zimmer just recycling her intro from the 300 score. Check for yourselves:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S176AKQhcCk

Some of you may be amused to know that the reason it sounds like techno grunge? Junkie XL.

Also, here, the Guardian weighs in, and a buncha snarky types pile on in the comments:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/25/review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice?CMP=share_btn_link#comments

Wonder Woman was the best part. She was mysterious and had cool theme music. Also I like how they introduced the fact that she doesn't age through a photograph, made her seem more vampiric than I usually imagine Wonder Woman.

I do not think Batman needed to lure the beast back to gotham in order to spear him. Couldn't he go get the spear and stab him away from a population center? This is why you need Robin.

Also I understand Superman and Lois are very nice forgive and forget type folks, but like, Batman tried to kill Superman. I don't think he should have been welcome at the funeral.

Kinda feel like he would a just killed the bouncers

That's true. I forgot that Batman is a mass murderer in this excellent film.

Btw, Alfred is such an enabler. What kind of father figure goes along with Bruce's insane vendetta against the underclass?

One that knows what's good for him, seeee?

i think it's negligent and he should be ashamed of himself.

More Fourth World stuff?

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/28/batman-v-superman-deleted-scene-steppenwolf

the whole film shoulda just been every damn DC character standing on a carousel and all the movie does is spin around and show all their faces, like the "Too Many Cooks" trailer.

kinda was what they were going for anyway

That's Yuga Khan obv

I have no idea why people thought Steppenwolf

NB: I think DC comics are stupid and don't care about any of this

i can think of no-one less well-suited to bring kirby's kaledoscopic madness to the silver screen than the clowns currently holding the reins :(

Otm, the man literally fought fascists

I thought it was a white martian. (Never heard of Yuga Khan - Darkseid has daddy issues now?)

yeah and they have a long drawn out fucking funeral for him that takes goddamn forever

― Neanderthal, Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:51 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha thank you for noting this, by the end i was so drunk that i kinda forgot this
(good way to watch this movie: w/ someone you liek, talking shit the whole time, with whiskey)

i don't think this has been posted yet - some more gems of wisdom from snyder on batman's willingness to murder pretty much everyone who stands in his way:

I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank himself. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

he missed his calling as a defence lawyer, clearly, cuz those justifications are 100% watertight imo

'this is totally what batman should do, guys, i got it from frank miller and a youtube video'

Thank god this dipshit is just ruining DC's movies.

Hardcore schadenfreude lols: 'Batman v Superman' Sets Record With Worst Friday-Sunday Drop For A Superhero Pic

heh, i was just coming here to post that very link!

Indeed, according to the figures I’ve compiled from Boxofficemojo.com, Batman v Superman has set a new record for the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop for a superhero movie release in modern North American box office history. In dropping 55% from its $82 million Friday debut to its $37 million gross on Sunday, it pummeled all prior records for weakness in theatrical staying power. It even beat the nearly universally reviled and now long-forgotten Fantastic Four reboot, which dropped a comparatively modest 48% across its opening weekend in the summer of 2015.

beating out fantastic four is a hell of an achievement, but snyder put the work in and he deserves the results

So basically: huge opening based mainly on presales, pretty much everyone who didn't already have tickets had time to read the reviews and chose to stay home.

The guys at the Weekly Planet podcast who put together that YT vid Snyder references came out in their most recent ep excoriating the film say straight out "you missed the fucking point, idiot,"

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

Same series that has this panel?

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/batman-the-dark-knight-returns-weapon-of-the-enemy.jpg

well, yeah

also the panel snyder references is a little ambiguous about how injured the guy batman shoots is but for sure he's not 'shot right between the eyes' and later on in the book other characters explicitly mention that batman's never killed. that's the whole fucking reason his refusal to kill the joker later actually has any dramatic weight!

But let's be honest, Batman is prety much just Rambo. He's a tower of muscle, murdering everyone indiscriminately. That's the whole appeal of the character, that he's such a psychopathic badass who's always covered in his victims' viscera and always has heavy metal SQUEEDLYDEEDLYDEEEEEE music playing in the background every time he mashes someone's skull into paste (i.e. whenever he's awake).

Wow, this guy's kind of an idiot: Zack Snyder Loves Superman, And 'Batman V Superman' Proves It. First, he loved the movie (his words). But he tries to prove the article's titular point by using plot points to show Snyder's affection for the Superman in his own movie when really the point that everyone makes about Snyder neither loving nor understanding Superman is that he pretty blatantly ignored most of a prior century's worth of depictions of the character.

I don't mind so much that there are people that like this movie out there, just that every one of them wants their opinion accepted as the consensus one and get butthurt that it isn't.

Forbes contributor kind of an idiot shocker

I mean...as recently as Batman Begins he pulls the "not gonna kill you, don't have to save you" crap. Snyder's not completely in the wrong.

that's p far removed from plugging a buncha dudes not because they're committing a crime but because well you want their kryptonite

Or portraying Batmam as the Punisher with slightly modified iconography

tbf tho Keaton's Batman didn't give two shits about killing. set people on fire with the fumes of his ride iirc