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I don't think you need either of those things. You keep traditional files for what they're best at, but you index them in a database, which Apple's Spotlight is only a stab of a first attempt at.

You don't need an open standard at all either -- but if it's in your interests to make yr apps work with others, you'll do it. If Apple makes the iLife media browser system-wide, so that you can pop-up a palette in Word and drag one of yr pics into the doc, everyone will be clamouring to integrate it, and also to provide an uplink to it.

Look at how they're all jumping to provide Spotlight searching, even when that means drastically restructuring the app -- Entourage in particular.

xposts: you missed out the "in time" part of the quote, Tombot. It won't happen soon, but as bandwidth only gets faster, I don't see why not. Online not in this case nec. meaning "teh internet" either. Where does my address book live, for instance? It's synced almost invisibly between newton, Mail, phone and Mac.

GF: But you trust Google to back up yr mail?

― stet (stet), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Digression for a stupid question. What font is used in Dock icons? -- when I have new mail, Mail.app's dock icon shows a red circle with the number of new messages. What font is used in that red circle? I've been disabling fonts, and I think I've gone one too far.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

They're not fonts. They're graphics stored in the Mail app itself.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

But you trust Google to back up yr mail?

good point. not really. i keep meaning to download it all one day, just for keeps.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Lucida Grande is the system font

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

but if you disable that you'll have even bigger troubles. It's probably either Helvetica or Helvetica neue. pre 10.4 some apps needed one or other of those to work. iCal and some other bits and pieces went to pieces without them

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I take it back, that's not true any more (about the icons)

― stet (stet), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Hm, I knew enough not to touch Lucida Grande, but I did disable Helv. Neue... testing...

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

that'll be it. put back helv neue. here we replace it with a postscript plain helvetica and it works ok (though the date on the iCal icon is badly set!)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

It turned out to be Helvetica, not Helv. Neue. I thought I'd turned on the Helv. family in my font mgt. app to replace the system Helvetica I'd disabled, but I had only turned on the Helvetica Condensed group.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

DO NOT TRY TO USE THE BITTORRENT CLIENT AZUREUS... last night it ate my balls like 8 times by filling memory and swap and deadlocking the computer

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

only use azureus if you want a specific part of the torrent - it's too bloody complex for its own good and has a hideous interface. use the regular bittorrent it's simple and unproblematic.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Yea, it has a ton of good ideas but for fucks sake, torrent start up time eats my nuts.

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I suppose I might run it on a dedicated Linux crapbox if I had one, but for fucks sake, it might be the worst bloatware ever.

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

I use Azuereus and like the CONTROL is gives me. Don't think it's ever crashed my machine, but it does use a lot of resources. What Mac BT client do people use instead? Tried TomatoTorrent once and it was shit. Most people on oink and uknova seem to be Azureus users but I guess most are on Windows.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

use the regular bittorrent it's simple and unproblematic.

Oh - I guess that answers my question. I'm sure I tried that once too. I think Azureus's interface is fine.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Azureus is Java? Eugh

― stet (stet), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

If it looks anything like that, double eugh. That toolbar's shit in 2 slots of 12k/s.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

To be fair, I ran a plugin update on like 30 plugins and now it crashes on startup with a runtime exception (only known because I read some log files) because it crashed last time it was trying to download the plugins and can't load them.

Who had the bright idea of making it download 30 kilobyte plugins using bit torrent? FOR FUCKS SAKE!

xpost,

stet it looks WORSE on OS X

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I've just remembered that I had to manually uninstall the latest plug-in update cause it was somehow fucking with my port forwarding. Maybe I will try the standard BT client again.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

yeah; azureus was the main reason I stopped downloading torrents; v.slow and v.ugly and even managed to crash my machine a couple of times

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

It's ugly and unMac-like, but the interface seems intuitive to me. Unlike SoulSeeX and all its stupid multiple windows, say. I like being able to sort torrents however I want, examine their contents, throttle down the up and download speeds on individual torrents, etc. Maybe all clients allow you to do this, though.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

for fucks sake though, there's so much wrong with it. it couldn't handle like 3 torrents and the official client can handle dozens no problem

I blame JAVA.

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

bit torrent hint: change your port as a lot of isps filter their users from connecting to the default bt ports

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

it couldn't handle like 3 torrents and the official client can handle dozens no problem

OK, I have no idea what's going on here - I often have 20 or more on the go no problem.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I seem to be playing the role of Pollyannaish computer enthusiast with no problems today. I'll probably get home and discover Azureus and the Finder have conspired to devour my home.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

saddest thing about using azureus is watching those block requests fill in bit by bit. "oo, another 4M"

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)

FWIW! Azareus didn't have any problems until I tried to install all the plugins

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

What do people think about the idea of Finder/Explorer gradually mutating towards a database model where what you see is always like, the equivalent of Smart Playlists in iTunes (or Find Results, I guess).

Is Explorer (or Windows) heading in this direction though? I know they've stolen cues from Apple in the past but I can't see them letting old users go f*ck themselves like seems to be the case with OS X.

I think I don't like my computer making me it's bitch via substandard 'browsing'/database uber alles/shitty jack-of-all, master-of-none apps.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

What Mac BT client do people use instead?

Azareus was problematic for me. ThenI was using Bits On Wheels for a bit, but I switched to TorrentStation and liked it so much I actually bought a copy.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

xpost:

Windows is supposed to be heading in that direction soon. The first big steps that way are going to be made in the Vista interface, which may well get backported to XP if noone bothers to buy Vista much.

Originally, this was going to tie in with the full release of WinFS, which should make it easier and more efficient to do that kind of thing. And WinFS is going to be released real soon now. Honest. No, really. Hahahah.

(Microsoft have been promising it for well over ten years - according to Wikipedia, it was originally going to be released with NT4)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wilcherish.com/cardshop/quotes/pics/dangel1.jpg
http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/1/s.gif

Ah, user file control, we barely knew you....

http://www.osx-e.com/screenshots/about_finder.jpg

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

in Explorer on XP, if there's a folder with pictures in it, I can see small thumbnails of those pictures on the large icon of the folder. I can drag and drop things basically to my hearts' content, and it's easy to tell when it's going to copy something or move it just by looking at the cursor. I can arrange things basically any way I want, change the look and feel a pretty hefty amount right out of the box to suit my liking, and when you integrate all the things that Office apps can do together relatively seamlessly and with pretty frightening speed it really makes Apple's Finder + iWork look like shiiiiiiiiiiit.

The search speed on local disks is about the same for the Finder and Explorer; Explorer does pretty readily let you search on keywords in the content and all metadata fields for any file, though, which is pretty impressive.

YMMV as always, I'm just saying.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I've found that content search in Explorer is *very* slow, personally - especially when you're searching things on mapped network drives.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

System wide file search in Explorer/Windows is appallingly slow & poor. In fact it seemed to get much worse in XP (though the old app is probably still about in some system folder... I should find that actually).

But then the file browser isn't horribly broken. So you can get by without ever needing to use search 99% of the time!

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:39 (twenty years ago)

System-wide file search is awful on XP because the search applet searches the contents of archive files like .zip and .cab files, and a default XP installation will have a copy of most of the .cab files from the installation CD, all large and slow to search.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:22 (twenty years ago)

in Explorer on XP, if there's a folder with pictures in it, I can see small thumbnails of those pictures on the large icon of the folder

when i saw this on the vista install we have i laffed and for the first time used the expression "that's so gay" in front of work colleagues.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Any idea how I can remove the seemingly permanent dark smudges on either side of the iBook mouse (above the mother board of whatever you people call that thing) that make it appear as if a Victorian street urchin has been playing on my computer?

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm over in the states next month and considering bying a MacBook Pro (I knwo, never by Rev A products, but damnit I need a new computer).

However, does ayone know if VMWare are going to produce a product for OS X on intel. If I can run windows apps from within the OS (with good access to the graphics card) then I can run my work apps and persuade work to contribute to the cost of the machine.

Not just VMWare, you understand, but the demo versions of our video apps need a fair bit of graphics power, or rather, fast graphics memory to work well.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 20 January 2006 08:37 (twenty years ago)

my ipod died, so i sent it to california. they sent me a new ipod from taiwan. got here in 48 hours! too bad it's also dead. tomorrow i'm taking it to the local "genius bar" where it apparently costs $99 for the priviledge of making reservations for service more than 24 hours in advance. since i only spent $59 on applecare, i have to hang out at the mall and take my chances.

i'm thinking about hating apple.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:53 (twenty years ago)

privilege? yes.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:54 (twenty years ago)

the iBook mouse (above the mother board of whatever you people call that thing)

by mouse do you mean trackpad? a slightly damp - not wet, just slightly damp - cloth should do the trick. don't use any cleaning products.

i'm not even going to ask where the motherboard comes into this.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 20 January 2006 12:12 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

I dislike apple computers because they are so freaking expensive, slow, and some are even dangerous! A while back, some G4's started having problems with capacitors on the motherboard EXPLODING. The exploding part wasn't really the problem, it was after it exploded that the computer (if you can even call it that) would short out on the pieces of metal stiking out of the capacitors, and overheat. More dangerous stuff! Sometimes the adaptor for the powerbook will catch on fire! And notice how Apple doesn't seem to ever tell anyone about these things? And why are they so expensive and slow? My 8 year old laptop is 66mhz slower than [i forget which model exactly] a powerbook, has the same amount of RAM and cost me $2970 less than the apple? And what about how the ipod's battery only lasts a few months, and the only way to replace it is to send it to apple and pay a huge fee, or open it yourself, void the warranty, and likely screw it up? I could keep going on, but I would fill the server with SO MUCH crap apple doesn't want you to know that they'd have no room for anything else...

― I dislike apple a lot, Friday, 10 February 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Mary, I have those smudges, too. I haven't found a good way to take them off yet, and I've been trying. One of the big downsides of having a white computer, really.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:07 (twenty years ago)

I just got a Compaq after having one trouble free for five years. SO far so good, at about a third the cost of a mac.

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 10 February 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't think you can say that Apple are particularly dangerous compared to other computers. After all, Microsoft had that problem with Xbox power cords overheating, which (as far as I remember) caused at least one fire. And "explosion" is the standard failure mode for capacitors in any case.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 10 February 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

Never mind exploding computers. You know what else Apple are responsible for? ASTROTURF.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 February 2006 07:43 (twenty years ago)

re: smudges - the brasso method perhaps?

http://todd.dailey.info/archives/2005/09/27/restore-your-ipod-nano-to-new-condition-with-a-4-can-of-brasso/

I can vouch for this since last night... my nano looks a lot better now, but quite not perfect. I got bored, frankly, it takes AGES to work, but in *most* lights it now looks nearly new again, or rather used (if you stare hard) but not abused.

Worked on my phone display too.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 10 February 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)

I got the Mr. Clean Magic Eraser, and it worked perfectly. It took like 2 seconds, seriously.

― Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

O RLY?

― fandango (fandango), Saturday, 11 February 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

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