itt: consternation and wailing about Zach Snyder's upcoming SUPERMAN/BATMAN film/sequel to MAN OF STEEL -- official title: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

I don't understand why Warner Bros thinks this is they guy to handle several of their most valuable properties?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=zacksnyder.htm

makin' that sucker punch money

Wow, Watchmen _lost_ money, figuring in the advert campaign. I didn't know that.

How much of the mopey hero sadsack trappings are ultimately a part of the focusing on superficial details aspect that led to the grim& gritty era in the first place? That plenty of dudes(I'm betting predominantly dudes, of course) were insecure about their favored genre and felt the need to indulge in wrapping them in the most tangible, surface levels details of "seriousness" adult/important narrative? It's similar to what idiot pundit types do when they only talk about certain things in a very slim rangev of acceptable topics, because that's what Very Serious People do? So we can't have all this brightly colored superhero fare becuz that's just kid shit etc etc etc

Or dudes raised on the idiot choices comic publishers made after the mid 80s ascent of Alan Moore/Frank Miller making those same mistakes 20 years later with billions more dollars and billions more prospective audience members

Yeah, this is basically Comics...They're Not Just For Kids Anymore!: The Movie. I don't believe for a second that Snyder gives a serious fuck about comics.

Also, finally read vol 1-3 of the reprinted Miracle-/Marvelman hardcovers. Alan Moore really was ahead of his time, wasn't he?

eh he was successful and everyone copped his steez

I think to be "ahead of your time" requires being initially ignored

I don't believe for a second that Snyder gives a serious fuck about comics

I think he does, though, but his sensibilities are formed entirely and only by the Image Comics launch, with their accompanying blockbuster success.

Dude cares, but completely about the wrong things and in the wrong way.

In other "no idea" news, aside from the fact that he wrote some Doctor Who strips:

Meanwhile, during this same period, he – using the pseudonym of Translucia Baboon – became involved in the music scene, founding his own band, The Sinister Ducks, with David J (of goth band Bauhaus) and Alex Green, and in 1983 released a single, March of the Sinister Ducks, with sleeve art by illustrator Kevin O'Neill. In 1984, Moore and David J released a 7-inch single featuring a recording of "This Vicious Cabaret", a song featured in V for Vendetta, which was released on the Glass Records label.[3](p95) Moore would write the song "Leopardman at C&A" for David J, and it would be set to music by Mick Collins for the album We Have You Surrounded by Collins' group The Dirtbombs.[26]

It feels to me like his attitude towards comics is, "I can fix this." Which, fair enough (in the case of people with talent), but it doesn't feel as if it's tempered by any real affection. It's just a way to make his objectivist ideals palatable for the sheeple or something. I dunno. I'm probably just projecting because he's such a turd.

No, not fair enough, comics don't need fixing - particularly these days with a younger and more diverse audience (admittedly that's Marvel rather than DC)

the DC TV universe (flash, arrow, legends of tomorrow, and supergirl) is immensely enjoyable, well written television that is actually fun. I've no interest in a Snyder flash.

and as far as 'dark' superhero stuff, marvel does this better with daredevil and jessica jones. at least those shows are mature and adult. snyder just seems like adolescent jackoff fantasies.

xxpost I meant 'fair enough' from a narrative standpoint. For example, I think the MCU is doing a bang-up job of sifting through decades of confusing continuity to find the things that work well and weave them into bite-sized, well-told stories that don't negate the source material. I'd've thought my hundreds of pro-comics posts would've alleviated any suspicions that I thought they needed fixing (well, at least not across the board).

for synder i think the nolan batman movies are a model because

- they made tons of movie
- somehow, they didn't damage but actually enhanced nolan's reputation as a visionary auteur

i don't think this trick can be pulled off twice on a similar scale, but tell that to snyder

so much movie those movies made!

er, tons of MONEY

haha

i think of the poverty-row producer in tim burton's ed wood movie: "that picture made money!"

got my threads crossed and now am hearing trump saying that. "Did you see those? So much movie. Incredible, just great."

it's true that there is a lot of movie in those movies. they are very long!

first two Nolan Batmans are imo extremely good and the darkness doesn't feel forced or particularly out of place w/the traditional batman universe. i enjoy Batman Begins as a good comic book movie and Dark Knight as a super effective and brutal action movie.

Dark Knight Rises though was such a chore and just going through the motions and unfortunately that's the movie that Snyder seems to be emulating the most.

the first two are salvageable i guess (taste is taste etc.) but there's no way that the heavy breathing of the latter two doesn't feel like straining for significance even w/in the context of the "dark" "gothic" batman universe (which has always just been one possibility within a range of possibilities).

next Batman movie should feature Bat-Mite and a final battle scene that takes place on top of a giant toaster

the first two are salvageable i guess (taste is taste etc.) but there's no way that the heavy breathing of the latter two doesn't feel like straining for significance even w/in the context of the "dark" "gothic" batman universe (which has always just been one possibility within a range of possibilities).

2 + 2 = 3? (unless you're talking Keaton/Keaton vs Kilmer/Clooney, which lol)

no, i meant that "the dark knight" (the middle of the trilogy) is both somewhat salvageable /and/ guilty of straining for significance.

the bit with the boats (and the phone surveillance) def feels a bit strained

Snyder isn't evenhalf the kind of visionary director Nolan is.

that makes him about 0.000004% visionary

i kid

Snyder isn't evenhalf the kind of visionary director Nolan is.

― akm, Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:17 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There's still another nine months for something else to beat this as the saddest sentence I read in 2016.

"They don't play with even half the passion and intensity of a Hoobastank."

ok lol

give nolan credit for all his early films at least.

and then look at, like,....sucker punch

Sucker Punch was hilarious, though

ok I haven't seen it. I'm reasonably sure memento and following and the prestige are better though

"better" at being movies one would take seriously, sure

Sucker Punch is "better" at being a ridiculous uncontrollable videogame masquerading as a movie

sucker punch just plays like a gross ass bro's rape fantasy. nothing redeemable about that movie.

"ass bro"?

They were a well-regarded toy company in the '80s before they altered their name and veered off in a direction their shareholders weren't crazy about.

yeah that was a Buckaroo nobody had asked for

'snyder just seems like adolescent jackoff fantasies.'

Well, yeah, again, dude seems formed from all the worst aspects of the early 90s Chromium Age

I think I read somewhere that Batman v. Superman is going to have a die-cut cover and come with a package of pogs.

Critic embargo lifted and reviews are out. Critics unanimously in agreement that Zach Snyder made a movie.

oh look, peter travers, the only living film critic made entirely of olestra, loved it!

honestly i don't trust any review of this film that doesn't have variant of the phrase "piece of shit" in it

how can I convince my kid to not drag me to this? we're rewatching xmen movies instead this week, even at their very worst they are better than this is going to be

Get food poisoning

pretend to be dying, tell your child this is the last 72 hours you will spend with him/her