I hated it, and wanted to punch Michelle Ryan's smug face back through that wormhole again. Also, y'know, Lee Evans was in it. He can fuck off as well.
The portentious part at the end was the only bit that really excited me though. "Your song is ending" we all know about already. "It is coming through the darkness" = Gallifrey, surely? It's the only really big rabbit Rusty has left in his hat.
Aye, that was OK. But it took a long time to get there. Doesn't Martha still work for UNIT? He was all on about how he keeps losing people, fuck's sake, look them up when you're hanging around with their colleagues, eh (not to mention the fact that his hand's off doing things with Rose)? At least ask after them? If you're going to be all emo, at least be coherently emo. Also, nice to see the "no second chances" doctor letting a crook off with crookyness and letting her nick a space-bus into the bargain.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 April 2009 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I reckon the Doctors gonna get offed by an evil Santa.
― Orin Boyd (jel --), Monday, 13 April 2009 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Played by Brian Blessed.
― Orin Boyd (jel --), Monday, 13 April 2009 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought the portentious bit was probably the most eye-rolling moment and just rehashing same old thing. "your song is coming to and end..." stfu already
but after last season finale i'm not so into Who now unless it's Moffat
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 13 April 2009 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
This kind of reminded me of the Langoliers. o_O
― fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Monday, 13 April 2009 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Doesn't Martha still work for UNIT? He was all on about how he keeps losing people, fuck's sake, look them up when you're hanging around with their colleagues, eh (not to mention the fact that his hand's off doing things with Rose)?
I heard RTD was angry with Freema Agyeman for doing L&O instead of Torchwood, so he's unlikely to write anything about how great Martha is right now.
― Event Horizon (Nicole), Monday, 13 April 2009 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
she was fired by UNIT for mentioning Project Indigo to Jack and then telling him 'no-one's supposed to know about it'
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 13 April 2009 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
lol @ ppl being all "waah he let her get away with it". Jeez, lighten up.
― DavidM, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
If that was at me, Tennant's doctor was introduced as being a hard bastard who didn't give anyone second chances. Rusty's quite big on continuity and themes and shit, he seems to have forgotten that one in favour of woo-lovey-dovey bollocks.
― ailsa, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Rusty had given us ample evidence that he will always throw continuity and themes and shit away in favor of woo-lovey-dovey bullshit all the way back to the on New Adventure he wrote with the 7th Doctor for Virgin Books.
― maybe u should tell that to your laughing vagina (HI DERE), Monday, 13 April 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Tennant's doctor was introduced as being a hard bastard who didn't give anyone second chances
He was?
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
"Don't you think she looks tired?"
― carson dial, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
"No second chances. That's what kind of man I am."
― chap, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Eccleston was the same (if not more so) tho
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 13 April 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Also the Doctor didn't let her get away with anything, he didn't let her on the Tardis but at the same time he had no reason to want to see her arrested especially given that gold chalice she nicked helped them get out of the desert. These are ridiculously minor things to be finding fault over.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Ach, it's a wee thing that's bugged me for a while, not just in this episode. He was going to save fucking DAVROS!
― ailsa, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
supposedly Donna softened him up (as he her). otherwise yeah he would've just committed genocide against the Daleks like he drowned the spider things (altho that seemed awfully inconsistent itself given his past form). blame the writers.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 13 April 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Tom Baker's Doctor dithered over destroying the Daleks at the moment of their creation and ultimately blew it. This isn't a new thing.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2009 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link
whereas Hartnell basically just said "fuck you, I'm out" and ran away and Troughton said "oh dear" and ran away and Pertwee said "JUDO CHOP!" and ran away when it didn't work and Davison said "I'm peaceful!" then tried to shoot them all and CBaker said "I will melt your face" and then proceeded to melt Davros's face and McCoy said "lol blow yrselves up" which the Daleks did and McGann said "Daleks? I don't think I'm allowed to fight those unless they are in really shitty stories written by John Peel"
― maybe u should tell that to your laughing vagina (HI DERE), Monday, 13 April 2009 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link
haha. That McCoy was a wily one!
― Nhex, Monday, 13 April 2009 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed and is upset with the 10th Doctor's slow descent into docility and sentimentality.
― Viceroy, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 01:57 (fifteen years ago) link
So is the next one the one where he regenerates? Or the one after that?
Maybe the next one is set on future earth and the Tardis turns up outside Holloway prison just as little Zoe Salter checks out.
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Slater, even. You know. Lady Lara Croft with the Ethan Hunt kitbag.
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link
i assumed the next one would be August Bank Holiday weekend. he's not regenerating until the fourth one (next year?) right?
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 09:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Last three specials can be considered a trilogy, apparently, but looks to have looser connections than Utopia did with Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords. First one is on early November (although Hallowe'en is not ruled out) and the last two will be 'around Christmas/New Year'.
Anyway... this was sort of OK. Way too full of basic writing gaffes (once on the other planet they talk about fixing the bus so the Faraday Cage is reinstated, for example, but never actually get around to fixing it; or why, having established big metal vehicles are safe, the Doctor doesn't just ask UNIT to drive an armoured car through to pick them up, then close the wormhole himself; or exactly how you can remove the capstone from an ancient dome by hand without it collapsing and later pass through it while remaining inside the building; or how you can see things on the horizon "a hundred miles away", and yet not see a giant spaceship which you can arrive at on foot quicker than things which are flying towards you fast enough to warp space...) and Rusty's continuing to give himself timing issues (The Next Doctor being in the past was supposed to enable him to fix the 'one year in the future' problems, but then he had to go and mention it was after The Stolen Earth and put himself right back in trouble) and there was no real plot to speak of, but it wasn't any worse than Partners In Crime.
RUSTYBOWDOWNANDWORSHIPMEIAMSOCLEVARRWATCH: Did you see? Did you? The space alium things looked a bit like sharks? WELL THEY WERE SHARKS, RIGHT? And. Did you see? The Doctor made the bus fly? That's a bit like jumping, isn't it? YES IT IS. And. Did you see? The bus jumped over the sharks. HAHAHA THOSE FANS WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCUSE ME OF JUMPING THE SHARK BECAUSE I HAVE DONE IT LITERALLY. HAHAHA I AM SO CLEVARR.
I wish I was making that up, but he boasted about it on a commentary track.
― dada wouldn't buy me a bauhaus (aldo), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Ummm.
― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I have a feeling you've been trolled there.
They looked much more like stingrays than sharks. It sounds like the sort of thing that occurred to him after filming and he threw it in there to wind up the ming-mongs.
― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Tennant mentions it first, and he's most congratulatory to Rusty on how clever he is. Could well be trolling, but there's a fair few people playing it straight for minimum payback.
― dada wouldn't buy me a bauhaus (aldo), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought this was very good!
I am a little sick of people who can see the future but then refuse to communicate about it in anything other than cryptic speech fragments. It's like, are you TRYING to be annoying? Wouldn't a nice or helpful person try to explain a bit more, with normal sentences?
I also thought the Doctor and his irritating posh thief companion spent quite awhile just kind of slouching around after RUNNING from a DANGEROUS STORM that threatened to ENGULF THEM ALL.
But those were my only two complaints. I thought it was very moving. Not even Lee Evans' tired schtick could deflate the warm glow at the end.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:39 (fifteen years ago) link
No I have one other complaint: I thought the bug-people were pretty hard done by.
My favorite line was Lee Evans' explanation of how he had figured something out: "I set the device to register what it CAN'T DETECT! And then reversed the signal!" The Doctor: "Brilliant!"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 10:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I agree somewhat with Hand!
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 10:44 (fifteen years ago) link
especially about the people who can see the future!
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Only somewhat? :(
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I agree very much with Hand
the only things I disagree with are
a) I'm not sure I thought the scientist was irritatingb) I didn't think the chick was irritating either
I also liked the line with the scientist that you liked, Hand
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 10:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I should clarify that I thought the chick was irritating in exactly the way the scriptwriters intended - i.e. cocky and entitled. There is a strand of TV criticism - especially regarding Doctor Who - that takes in another level of irritation, that is, people will say a character is irritating because they don't behave the way a character like that Ought to Behave (in the Who universe, in that particular situation), as if the critic is a co-creator of the production and is making a point about directing or acting or scriptwriting technique. I do this too. But in this case I didn't mean to imply that she was irritating because she detracted from the story or the Who gestalt or anything like that - just that her character was the sort of person who would annoy the hell out of me in real life. Which was probably intentional. Though why Who would fall for someone like that is a mystery. If I were the Doctor, I would have left her behind on Earth simply because she's a stuck-up, over-clever pain in the ass rather than because I think so highly of her that I wouldn't want her to get killed in a galactic space battle. And frankly prison's what she deserves. In the story she comes from an aristocratic family that, more likely than not, acquired its power long ago via blood and the sword. After centuries of slow and uneven progress, the treasures amassed by these elites have, some of them, filtered into the public domain and are freely available for all in museums. And now she wants to take them back! Into the clink with her.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 11:12 (fifteen years ago) link
blood and the sword!
into the clink!
marvellous
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 11:16 (fifteen years ago) link
slow and uneven progress!
but tho I agree about prison, HandI still don't really agree about the chick in generalcosyou are missing outthe fact that she is very attractivewhich means she can't be that irritating
I think fatherhood has made you too responsible and sensible to appreciate these things.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Until that last sentence it was almost like pf and me had switched styles!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 09:43 (fifteen years ago) link
How do the anti-gravity clamp things allow the bus to, like, move forward/accelerate etc.?This RUINED the whole thing for me.
This RUINED the whole thing for me.
Wizard.
― Leee, Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
watching 'Creature from the Pit' after bouncing around the seasons. The previous story was 'Time & the Rani'. CHRIST what a contrast. Obviously, the older story is at the same time both cheekier and funnier, whereas the newer one is really disappointing, and you seriously get a Douglas Adams vibe from the interplay of the barbarian thieves. It's like, christ, we all know they had no money, just get some decent writing and you'd be surprised what could happen.
Also, Mel was bleah as a companion.
― kingfish, Friday, 1 May 2009 07:35 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2601/doctorcats.th.jpg
― kingfish, Saturday, 9 May 2009 10:03 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8073734.stm
Matt Smith's first companion announced. I think I already love her.
― Tits Bramble (Matt DC), Friday, 29 May 2009 12:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Also I'm really pleased they went for an unknown actress.
― Tits Bramble (Matt DC), Friday, 29 May 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I dunno about that, I was hoping for someone a bit older. I on't know if I fancy Doctor Who-lyoaks.
― NotEnough, Friday, 29 May 2009 12:27 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9833/karengillan1ge0.jpg
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 May 2009 12:29 (fifteen years ago) link
She looks a bit like a young Donna. Maybe the timelord-y part of Donna causes her to regenerate?
― Hatfail of Hollow (Nicole), Friday, 29 May 2009 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link
she was the daughter in the Pompeii one? looks different
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Was she? Hmm.
― Hatfail of Hollow (Nicole), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:34 (fifteen years ago) link