immigrant & ethnic food cultures, white ppl & appropriation, foodies

jim i feel u btw

i don't think the actual appropriation is the problem as much as the sense by some people that the appropriation is giving legitimacy to a particular cuisine or "classing it up", idk. the most famous thai chef in the U.S. is probably Andy Ricker and the most famous Mexican chef in the U.S. is Rick Bayless. not saying they're undeserving of fame, they're excellent chefs afaik, but certainly their level of fame above other chefs operating in Thai and Mexican can be partially attributed to something other than food.

― nomar, Monday, March 7, 2016 4:43 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

good post

a little reductive, "oh this is merely an economic inequality issue!!"

― marcos, Monday, March 7, 2016 5:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah i think a certain type of liberal - tends to be old and of the kum-ba-yah, we're all one race variety- tends to try to shortcut race by just saying everything is an economic or class issue instead of trying to address the racial factor as well

if you think this is just about making white ppl feeling 'guilty' when they go to an 'ethnic' restaurant or w/e that's a pretty blatant misreading and u can suck an egg. that means u, aimless

im on the record as saying that i don't really care when white ppl eat chinese food or make it at home or w/e they want to do. that's fine! go ahead.

but it does piss me off when white ppl try to monetize it. thats why i posted that excerpt from TAO upthread. i don't think it's cool one of the highest grossing restaurants in NYC is doing it off chinese-influenced food done by a white owner.

especially given the abject conditions a lot of recent chinese immigrants live in - the chinese buffet circuit up and down the east coast, etc.

young white dudes wearing striped shirts should just stay home and eat mac & cheese or whatever

or just starve and die

― brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, March 7, 2016 5:07 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm cool with both of these positions and support them fyi

people who have money, when they go on dates, they typically go to "nice" places, irrespective of the cuisine or who owns the restaurant. this is not just true of "white ppl"

yeah i think a certain type of liberal - tends to be old and of the kum-ba-yah, we're all one race variety- tends to try to shortcut race by just saying everything is an economic or class issue instead of trying to address the racial factor as well

that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm saying that it doesn't matter what kind of food you eat or whether "white ppl" make mexican food or ghananian food or whatever. if there are "problems" w/ any of the scenarios you guys are describing (and i'm not convinced there are, honestly), then they have to do with dynamics other than "appropriation."

you guys write as if there aren't any mexican or african-american middle-class and rich people who go to nice restaurants

Kinda relieved to get permission to at least suck an egg tbh

as long as it was prepared in a traditionally irish way

Nah we absolutely encourage the bastardisation of our culture it makes it easier to drag other cultures down to our level

http://images1.miaminewtimes.com/imager/ogrimacy-on-a-shamrock-shake-cup-circa-19/u/original/6597696/shamrockshake.jpg

OK, some of em we drag up to our level, granted

you guys write as if there aren't any mexican or african-american middle-class and rich people who go to nice restaurants

Youre acting as if there are """nice""" restaurants that are not european or sushi, or, if "ethnic", not owned and operated by white ppl

where do you live?????

everywhere i've lived there have been /plenty/ of "nice" restaurants owned by african-americans, mexican-americans, thai-americans, etc. etc.

i suspect you either live in bumblefuck idaho (which i hear has great scenery btw) or you are projecting your reductive understanding of political economy onto the more complex world we live in.

yeah idgi

not owned and operated by white ppl

I don't think this fits the description of a single restaurant in SF tbh

"nice" or otherwise

tbf it's also possible that 龜 is from iceland

or siberia

shamrock shakes are really good

oreo shakes are better tho

Post pictures of far-flung Irish pubs here

lol don't you live in a college town amatuerist? i suppose nice for you tops out at 'not-an-olive garden'

i've lived in a lot of places

you're transparently a troll or an idiot, so, keep going if it gives you satisfaction

lol i'm surprised they let you back in after your ban

wtf

Οὖτις, don't interrupt him!

you were banned? when did that happen?

Uh wait do you ppl not know who symbol is

I barely know who anybody is

:-}

anyway i think this link is relevant to share, from a black chef working in fine dining:

http://luckypeach.com/on-being-black-in-the-kitchen-edouardo-jordan/

half of us are spartacus and the other half are keyser soze

do you ppl not know who symbol is

When you mouse over the name of mr. 'symbol', ilx offers "click here for more information about this user". So I clicked and damn me if it told me squat about who he is.

your display name has never been more fitting

Uh wait do you ppl not know who symbol is

The Aimless-Amateurist tagteam is delivering, as expected by their monikers

not surprised that y'all don't pay any attention to usernames since u are both clearly in love with the sound of your own voices

lol xp

Who are they? And that shouldn’t be the case. They should fucking walk in just as hungry and eager as any other cook, no matter who they are. Woman, white man, purple man, fat man.

I lol'd

symbol

in my experience there's "nice" as in seated/wait staff/cloth napkin/wine list

.. and then there's "nice" as in all the essentials, plus guests expected to be in nice attire, everything is significantly more expensive, no children visible, reservations pretty much necessary, soup/salad always ala carte, the front of house has a maître d' instead of a "host," possible valet service out front, etc.

there are plenty of the former owned/operated by immigrants around my area, not so many of the latter. we don't have many of the latter at all, though.

Hate the poison itt I mean it's a food thread for a start

Uh wait do you ppl not know who symbol is

― Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Monday, March 7, 2016 4:12 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol otm

Can't we all just not get along, but yknow, nicer

I'm regretting the "you ppl" but I think I may have escaped that one

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/91/e2/d8/91e2d87e127ebf22055e5a81b8c39278.jpg

dayo have you ever read chopsticks & marrow? the dude has steered me to some good places in the past but there's sometimes a veneer of othering or essentialization to his quick summations of food traditions etc. it's not quite to the level of "i went to this place and we were the only white people in there" but maybe it's the next level?

if you think this is just about making white ppl feeling 'guilty' when they go to an 'ethnic' restaurant or w/e that's a pretty blatant misreading and u can suck an egg. that means u, aimless

wtf? I don't think I've used the word restaurant in this thread, let alone the words ethnic or guilty.

Ey symbol I know a p good Chinese place in Dublin fyi & btw just sayin

I'm still trying to figure out why places w/thai menus are really into adding a sushi bar lately. I guess maybe it's a good profit center? I could use some sort of thai cuisine inspired sushi roll but that never happens

Yr white. Invent one, make millions.

nobody makes millions in the restaurant game unless they run one of those really expensive places or has franchises all over

I was kind of thinking about whether some places capitalize on a pan-european thing for menu formation and the only real point would be every type of restaurant offering some kind of pizza