itt: consternation and wailing about Zach Snyder's upcoming SUPERMAN/BATMAN film/sequel to MAN OF STEEL -- official title: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

xp seems like a hangover from watchmen really - 'c'mon guys real superheroes would be terrifying monsters!' the idea that superheroes can work on any other level seems utterly alien to him. i wonder what he thought of ant-man or gotg?

Zach Snyder on Ant-Man:

But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman. They’re not just, like, the flavour of the week Ant-Man – not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?

arborists

I want a Superman movie that is just rescuing cats from trees. Was that really ever a thing? My cat climbs trees, then climbs down. He should rescue dogs from trees, because what the hell?

arboristes, more like.

for real though i'd totally watch a feature-length movie about superman rescuing cats from trees and being nice to everyone

"Brainiac v1 was just a project of Lex's to wander around sucking up cats and depositing them in trees"

after this movie is released, someone should make an edit where a very cartoony Mister Mxyzptlk appears in the most grimdark scenes

Plus Batmite, plz.

yessss

If he used his powers to rescue animals, do plumbing work, construct buildings, etc., people would put up the occasional supervillain.

Snyder's Superman reluctantly does this low-level hero shit with a heavy sigh until like one person gives him some pushback on something really insignificant and he's just like, okay fuck this fuck all of you humans who needs this shit. And then he just sits there and watches warehouses burn and bitches about all of the strawmen who were on his back about saving unneutered cats from trees. In other words, a true hero who is transcendent of superhero movies in a way.

And lookit that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Q9DEDKZx8

Y'know, I haven't seen these films in decades but godDAMN, Reeve's delivery and general demeanor was the perfect choice.

those movies hold up pretty badly overall but reeve is incredible. he'd be perfect casting for superman in a version of morrison and quitely's all-star superman (obvious problems with that casting aside)

Like, it makes one want to beat Snyder over the head with a hardcover collected trade(or a crate of Donner Bly-rays), yelling "Thats *bam* Not *bam* How *bam* Superman *bam* Works!"

But judging from his statements & past work, he'd probably just take the wrong lesson and think that cranial trauma should be involved. "Oh wait, Braniac has a huge head, Superman should just cave that in with a railroad tie!"

I can't wait to hatewatch the new one

I have no desire whatsoever to see this(aside from its future Hecklevision screening, probably) with the possible curiosity of how the other JLA members are going to be worked in.

Oddly enough, a Wonder Woman film set in WWII(especially if they stick with Golden Age/40s design motifs) _does_ sound like something you could get an interesting film from.

those movies hold up pretty badly overall but reeve is incredible

nah first two are a lot of fun. 3 and 4 are totally off the rails tho

3 is a lot of fun for all the wrong reasons. Love that movie so hard.

xxp it's set in ww1 isn't it?

nah first two are a lot of fun. 3 and 4 are totally off the rails tho

the first hour of the original superman is pretty much perfect, then it gets bogged down in luthor's tedious plan for world domination and dubious time-reversal shenanigans

the second one is probably the best (terence stamp 4 eva) but has the weird 'superman takes his revenge' scenes with rocky the truck driver which are massively out of character

three has reeve's amazing 'bad superman' performance which is fantastic

four has a grey milton keynes unconvincingly standing in for the united nations in new york and is generally appalling but reeve still sells clark/superman so, so well

Reeve is the only Superman imo

tim daly did a pretty good job in the animated series but yeah reeve was born to play that role. brandon routh wasn't bad but he was basically impersonating reeve throughout superman returns. only things i can really recall about henry cavill was that he didn't ever accidentally look directly into the camera and his costume looked weird without red trunks.

I'm basically willing to accept only a very slight deviation from Superman's animated series depiction in any subsequent film or television project. I'm not saying it's a metric everyone needs to use, but it's the only one I know that makes any sense.

otm

agreed

three has reeve's amazing 'bad superman' performance which is fantastic

this def brings the lolz - but it barely hangs together as a film

well, yeah

now that these things have become weirdly serious tentpole the center of all cinema events i've actually somewhat come around on superman 3 and 4. i can't imagine wanting to watch them again (2 is the only one i'd watch again, so bizarre to me that nerds treat richard lester as this hack that was brought in to betray the vision of a true genius like richard donner) but i like that they're so trashy and cheap, it seems somewhat in tune w/ the comics, make enough of them and eventually you'd need one where richard pryor pops up cuz why not and the fourth one w/ captain nuclear or whatever could be one of those hacky psa superman comics for the dental association of america or some sponsor, all you needed was to have superman turn to the camera at the end, wink, and remind us to keep eating these delicious hostess pies. reeves really is incredible, i don't think until it was later that i realized just how much he nailed what superman is/should be. kidder's a great lois lane also, feel like none of the lanes since have been right, just kinda generic gf w/ maybe an ounce of drive but nothing approaching the relentless busybody of lois lane. kate bosworth isn't telling superman to stuff it, she needs to turn into a black woman for this story.

make enough of them and eventually you'd need one where richard pryor pops up cuz why not

QED

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/613YOw-5NAL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Yes to pretty much all of that, balls.

It isn't too late to insert a scene of Supes foiling a fruit pie robbery, Snyder. All will be forgiven, I promise.

Goody Rickles. The King at his best.

Goody Rickles makes up for 1,000 Flippa Dippas.

(Not really.)

balls otm

kidder's a great lois lane also, feel like none of the lanes since have been right, just kinda generic gf w/ maybe an ounce of drive but nothing approaching the relentless busybody of lois lane.

I was SO disappointed when I learned that Parker Posey's role in Superman Returns was *not* Lois Lane, she would've been perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN7OBEd5hRM

She's in a tv/news chopper, right? Took me decades to realize how '70s as fuuuuuuuck it is to have a set-piece based on _a tv news chopper_.

Also, the earthquake/flood scene gave my younger brother nightmares for *years*. I just remember being disturbed by the shot of dirt tumbling from Kidder's mouth.

that's it, i'm watching Superman II tonight

i have been rewanting to watch Superman IV too. i've seen 1 and 3 so many times. the 1st one is the best movie but they are all good fun. i saw IV in the theater when it came out (i was under 10) and it was insane. plotholes be damned it was just completely ridiculous and i loved it.

Ducky as Lex Luthor's nephew

xpost It's a Golan Globus production, what else could possibly be expected.

i was raised on that stuff.

i love trash. i love it because its trash.

but it has to be fun trash. Snyder trash is glowery late 90s Playstation trash. boring and unimaginative.

Yes, exactly. Snyder's work is like a portentious and incoherent cutscene from a '90s Playstation game featuring extreme and tortured badasses.

and the 2000s ones that are all desaturated and everything is brown and grey

zack snyder: cinema's prince of persia: warrior within

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/03/batman-v-superman-ben-affleck-describes-lex-luthor-as-kurt-cobai/

thx for the new screenname

wait dammit

I've been saying since the '40s that Lex Luthor had a certain Cobain-esque quality about him.

I saw superman 4 when I was a kid but don't remember a whole lot about it. I just read the wikipedia synopsis and this:

Nuclear Man forces his way into the Daily Planet and abducts Lacy. Superman frees himself from the moon's surface and pushes it out of its orbit, casting Earth into an eclipse which nullifies Nuclear Man's powers. Superman rescues Lacy, then recovers Nuclear Man and deposits him into the core of a nuclear power plant, destroying him. What had been Nuclear Man becomes electrical power for the entire electrical grid.

definitely makes me want to see it again