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We have yet to mention Gareth's spiritual home: THE BROWN PALACE.

http://www.brownpalace.com/images/photo_large_25.jpg

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

could be! i think its pretty low on pollution, i dunno, the sky looks like, BLUE

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim Allen

wtf, he's from michigan!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

you didn't know i had denver pride?

No, I thought you had Chicago envy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

oh he was born in denver. fine then. anyway, you can take him!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I do, kinda! I like chicago a whole lot, but denver is pretty good, for what it is.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

(born at Fitzsimons Army Hospital in Aurora, Denver's eastern neighbor)

can i be pedantic for a second and say that fitzsimons army hospital was located in what later became aurora? the territory had not yet been annexed when kerry was born.

this is what i do all day.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

If Chicago is so good, why is everyone posting to the DENVER thread???

a-ha!

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

kyle hated it here

I think I've spent a total of about 36 hours in Denver in my life, most of them at Elich's, or sleeping at someone else's house overnight, or going with my parents to get my sister orthopedic shoes. This was in the late 1980's. goddamned right I hated it!

I am very much biased against colorado now but only because of all the horrible white republicans and christian coalitian types. If you killed all the people in the state it would be grand! (er, Mandee excepted)

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

well.. i guess i dont get in contact much with those types because i work for a hippie company in boulder and spend most of my time in central denver, but yeah, out in the suburbs i'd imagine it's pretty gross

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

the Buddhist college, Naropa University or the "Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at Naropa" in nearby Boulder, Colorado.

A friend of mine studied poetics there.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the names of places in Colorado. They seem different.

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

In a funny way, Denver reminds me a bit of Norwich!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it considered the Southwest or the Midwest or something else?

xp Wow! Now I have a very vivid picture of what it must be like.

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it considered the Southwest or the Midwest or something else?

it manages to not be considered at all!

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Kyle, go take your medicine.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

All of the Perry Mason Mystery TV Movies were filmed in Denver.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

but it's true, it's neither southwest nor midwest (though I'd guess it geographically is the most Midwestern of places).

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.lambiek.net/1/artwork/eightball_cover2_b.jpg

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

SUGARLOAF!

― donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

LONGMONT POTION CASTLE DUDES!

― donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

THE WARLOCK PINCHERS!

― donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

DANIEL TIGER!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

wild bill hickok is buried in deadwood, beside calamity jane

buffalo bill cody was a wild west showman and a pioneer of aviation

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I would like to move to this Denver.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

is the air clean in denver? i imagine it being very clean.

Is the brown cloud gone now?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks, rjg

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

my aunt and uncle live in THE SPRINGS and the only times I've actually been in Denver was to see the mint and stuck in a traffic jam while on the way home after a 2week Southwest road trip. I was not surprised by its flatness, since yanno, it's flat for more than 1000 miles til you hit the Rockies.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"yanno"

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks rjg

― oops (Oops), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I just assumed that Denver was in the Rockies. I imagined the streets looking like San Francisco.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

The best Colorado writer, and one of the best writers ever, is John Fante. Only his early stories are set in Colorado.

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.classickidstv.co.uk/denver/logo.jpg

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Denver is flat, except for a little bitty rise when you go up to the Capitol building, and the area to the east of it, which is called Capitol Hill, of all things. Denver has the largest Gay Pride march betw. the Mississippi and California, or so someone once told me. Everyone assembles at Cheesman Park and then walks to Civic Center, except the ones who are riding on floats.

Denver has frequent temperature shifts. Once the temperature dropped 60 degrees in 8 hours. This was not fun for the trees.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm learning all sorts of new things about my HOME

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i know a guy named andrew, apparently he was in the warlock pinchers - i havent heard any of their songs except for the one about morrissey and cock horse

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Ichabod's was the best. :(

Seconded.

(I Love Denver - I'm just itching to go and visit the Wright Sisters!)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

mark i'm surprised you love denver as everytime you visited there seemed to be a HORRIBLE blizzard

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

is the air clean in denver? i imagine it being very clean.
-- The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (handy_manda@yahoo.com), August 29th, 2005 3:15 PM. (The Milkmaid)

Actually I believe it is 2nd worst in the USA next to Los Angeles.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a question of importance to me. What do you do to entertain your parents in Denver? Or, more accurately, not what do you do to entertain your parents in Denver, since if you're Mandee, your parents are probably about my age, whereas my parents are my parents' age.

I will take my parents to the Botanic Gardens, of course. I have a good friend on staff at the gardens. She is an expert in invasive plant species, which we refer to affectionately as "weeds." She just married her girlfriend. The ceremony was in the gardens, in the section called the Romantic Garden. The ceremony was romantic. My friend Chris brought soap bubbles, which we blew above the two brides after they'd said their vows. It was a Jewish ceremony; they had to stomp on the glasses several times to get them to break. The rabbi, a woman, said that she hoped that the state would soon recognize such marriages. At the reception, we danced to a techno version of Hava Nagilah. We also danced to "Crazy In Love" and "We Are Family."

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

So, what do I do to entertain my parents in Denver? (Other than get married, that is, which I don't seem on the verge of.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Denver air used to be very bad, and there was some sort of court order about cleaning it up, and unlike L.A., Denver actually met the required clean-air goals.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i always try to take my parents to RODNEY's - which is seriously like this bar where all the OLD PEOPLE hang out! I went there on a Friday night once and it was full of senior citizens (CLASSY PEOPLE, EVEN) gettin' their GUZZLIN' going...

it's in cherry creek north on 2nd avenue, sort of down the street from whole foods..

I'm always trying to get my friends to go there but they aren't as excited about it as I am.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

mostly, though, my dad just likes to come to my apartment and watch Nascar.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

My Dad would not like to watch Nascar. I doubt that my dad has ever watched a car race in his life.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Tomorrow will be generally sunny despite a few afternoon clouds. Hot. High 91F. Winds W at 10 to 15 mph.

Chance of thundershowers in the evening.

(Generic forecast. There's always a chance of thunderstorms in the evening, all summer.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm dreading winter already :/

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Denver, Colorado: Denver was once so renowned for its pure
mountain air that tuberculosis victims traveled there for treatment. However, in 1985, Denver was under a "brown cloud" much of the time. Pollutants from motor vehicles, industry, and wood stoves clouded the skies and obscured the view of the Rocky Mountains that made the Mile High City a major tourist attraction. The city violated federal carbon monoxide exposure limits 33 days during the winter of 1985.
The public, as well as businesses and community leaders, demanded that something be done to bring clean, healthful air back to Denver. Responding to these concerns, the governor established the Denver Metro Air Quality Council. With technical support from EPA and the Colorado Health Department, the Council mobilized public and governmental action, worked with industries, civic groups, and the news media to help remove the area's brown cloud and clean its air. How did they do it?
- New legislation required use of oxygenated fuels during the
winter months to reduce cold weather carbon monoxide
emissions from gasoline engines. Automobile owners'
individual participation helped make this successful.
- The Denver schools switched from diesel fuels to compressed
natural gas in new school buses.
- The state avoided legislation that would have delayed
implementation of strict emission standards for wood stoves.
- Wood burning in the area was limited.
- The local electric utility replaced particulate-emitting
coal fires in powerhouse boilers with a mix of "clean"
natural gas and coal. The public bus company converted to
low-sulfur fuel during the high-pollution season, tested
methanol-fueled buses, and implemented an emissions
inspection and maintenance program for its vehicles.
- The public, including employees and shoppers, found ways to
drive fewer miles.

What did it all add up to? Carbon monoxide violations dropped
from thirty-three in 1985 to only three in 1990. Average daily
ozone (smog) levels for the ten highest days dropped
considerably. In June of 1990, the United States Conference of
Mayors called Denver "the most liveable city in the United
States."

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, my wife and I are flying to Denver in three days. Our daughter's in grad school there.

― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Denver skyline 2002:

http://ccc.atmos.colostate.edu/~hail/cool/polution/images/denver_smog2.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

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