"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

he just bought more data! refresh!

If he keeps snacking like this, there'll be some more poop forthcoming.

i miss this setting from before:

http://i.imgur.com/PYu7nTw.jpg

not only because we the people don't need to give the delusional a martyr, this is fucked up. of course it's a strong possibility that LaVoy Finicum tried to pull some shit

i was really hoping the government could isolate, inconvenience, embarrass and negotiate its way out of this. what an awful mess.

agreed. but he pulled some shit. here's a guy who witnessed it.

https://www.facebook.com/mark.mcconnell.127648/videos/10154667085229762/?pnref=story

― a (waterface), Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:04 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i miss this setting from before:

http://i.imgur.com/PYu7nTw.jpg

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:15 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i liked their early stuff"

waterface i can't really watch fb vids at work, can you quote or summarize?

He reports that the one who got shot charged the police.

The source is a guy who was in one of the other cars.

someone in the bg is talking about all of the people from other states who they expect to show up. and if they don't show up "in a few days", he'll "start to lose faith"

waterface i can't really watch fb vids at work, can you quote or summarize?

― goole, Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:17 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, lemme look for an article

basically, goole, lavoy was driving in one car, bundy in another. FBI stopped Bundy's car, then LaVoy's, then LaVoy made a run for it. He crashed into a snowbank, jumped out of the car and (according to some reports) ran at the cops saying shoot me. will look for good source

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/update-new-details-emerge-about-lavoy-finicums-death-hes-like-just-shoot-me-and-they-did/

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/militant_shot_and_killed_while.html#incart_maj-story-1

ran at the cops saying shoot me

tbf this is not actually justification for a cop to shoot someone

^^that article has the same FB video, but it's embedded, you might be able to watch.

tbf this is not actually justification for a cop to shoot someone

no one said it was

Sharp said he got out and dared authorities to shoot him as he approached with his hands raised.

“He’s like, just shoot me then, just shoot me — and they did, they shot him dead,” Sharp said. “They shot him right there, he was just walking — I saw it. I swear to God, he was just walking with his hands in the air.”

Officers shot him three more times after he fell to the ground, Sharp said.

A former FBI hostage negotiator said Finicum, who had said he would rather die than go to jail, fit the profile for a person who wished to commit “suicide by cop.”

this is not what i call "pulling shit" fyi

yeah not good

saying just shoot me to a cop when you've been illegally occupying a federal building for weeks is pulling some shit

also keep in mind these are preliminary reports

as if we can't guess what the cop version of the story is going to be

So now one story says he was "charging at" the police and another says he was walking with hands in the air. Neither being an official story and both claiming to be witnesses. I'd choose to believe the story that doesn't serve the interests of the occupiers, who would love to portray it as cold-blooded murder.

i tend to believe quite honestly that law enforcement was told to not to anything to provoke or "martyr" these folks, but at the same time idk.

why walk toward the cops? how does that make sense? you're in a forest, you're busted. put your hands on your head and sit the fuck down.

maybe he thought they had snacks

i don't think there's much point trying to game this out in our heads

idk did the guy have a history of being violent or claiming he wouldn't be taken alive? do we even know if these guys are armed? it's not like they've threatened violence against law enforcement right? definite possibility this is problematic

good to recall that direct threats were made early on that attempted arrests would be met with deadly force.

He very specifically said in an interview that he was prepared to die because he couldn't live in a cell. xp

has Aragorn arrived with the Army of the Dead yet

idk did the guy have a history of being violent or claiming he wouldn't be taken alive? do we even know if these guys are armed? it's not like they've threatened violence against law enforcement right? definite possibility this is problematic

yes, yes, and they have.

I'm not discounting the possibility that the shooting could have been problematic though.

totally^^

I mean we're talking about cops on one hand and high-strung gun nuts on the other.

idk i think if law enforcement had just sent these guys the right essay this whole thing could be over w/, applied force is never the solution w/ these guys, they won't listen to force, they'll only listen to reason

trigger happy cops are a bigger national problem than white militia paranoids

trigger happy cops are a bigger national problem than white militia paranoids

they're both a huge problem. don't see what difference it makes which is the bigger problem.

two creeks, same river

sure. many in the militias are ex cop, ex military

He very specifically said in an interview that he was prepared to die because he couldn't live in a cell. xp

― how's life, Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is exactly why he shouldn't have been shot

which is why some folks in the gov't wanted to investigate the militias because theyre being reinforced by military types, but the nice people in the GOP defunded it because it wasnt sufficiently respectful of the military. or some bullshit.

yeah, i read something about that yesterday

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2011/inside-dhs-former-top-analyst-says-agency-bowed-political-pressure

Say what you want about white supremacists, but The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord is a supremely catchy name for a group.

I think I saw them open for the Doobie Brothers back in 73.

http://www.terminateshere.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/covenantswordarmofthelord.jpg

this livestream is a treat

I've been away from wifi for a few hours. Anything good happening?

the camera is showing a background scene of the landscape, with occasional verbal interjections about the constitution. there is the sound of heavy machinery being used in the background, so maybe they decided to dig a toilet pit?

sounds like these guys are trying to recreate their normal lives as much as possible