Refugee situation / EU response - rolling news

Switzerland, not Sweden. And it's a bit different in the Netherlands, because there refugees are quickly allowed to work.

But yeah, it's about being shitty to refugees, nothing more than that. The epitome of that idea was putting ads in lebanese newspaper explaining how shitty Denmark was towards refugees - and getting in trouble for lying about it and making it worse than it is, apparently the foreign ministry isn't allowed to lie. The major stupidity is that they apparently haven't thought about the fact that more foreigners than refugees might notice the signals being sent, and come to the same conclusion. The policy is in short to tell refugees that Denmark is an awful place for a foreigner to be, while telling EU and the rest of the west that that isn't true and the Denmark is an awesome place for foreigners to be. It's idiotic.

some UK news
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/24/asylum-seekers-made-to-wear-coloured-wristbands-cardiff
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/asylum-seekers-north-east-claim-identifiable-red-doors-houses

This was in the guardian today:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZrpMWaWEAAyFgv.jpg

The red doors thing might be less sinister than it looks but it was interesting to see how hard the Times went in - iirc the headline on the front page was "apartheid on the streets of Britain".

before i googled the quote i thought you meant the NYT + i was shocked

The Times is a conservative, centre-right Murdoch paper so not in their normal style either.

iirc the headline on the front page was "apartheid on the streets of Britain".

hearing that to the tune of the smiths' panic tbh

foreign minister Christiane Taubira resigned from Hollande's cabinet today because of her opposition to Hollande & Valis' plan to strip dual French citizens of their French citizenship if convicted of terrorism charges. very much unsure what I think about that plan.

Seems to me like more of a symbolic measure than a practical one. How many French terrorists have dual citizenship?

probably quite a few?

the Harper government in Canada passed a law last year that has the same affect. Dual citizenship Canadians can be stripped of their Canadian citizenship if convicted of terrorism offences. Total BS obv, citizenship shouldn't have tiers.

Sweden: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-sweden-idUSKCN0V60HB

Sweden is likely to deport up to half last year's record 163,000 asylum seekers either voluntarily or forcibly, presenting a major challenge to authorities, Interior Minister Anders Ygeman said on Thursday.

Between 60,000 and 80,000 people will likely have to leave, Ygeman said, which would represent about 45 percent of the total number of applicants.

jfc

bring me 55% of your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

where are they gonna deport them to, Finland?

wherever

who cares?

out of sight, out of mind!

i'm sure they'll be fine

they're only desperate human beings driven from their ancestral homes, it's not like it's somehow our problem, what have they got to do with us

they don't even know the words we know, they can't speak properly, what a bummer for us!

The current line appears to be 'it'll only encourage more of them to come'.

yes that's why i never give money to panhandlers, they need to learn

just a reminder that iirc the US took in a whopping 10,000 Syrian refugees in 2015

obama has pledged that amount over the coming year iirc

factcheck.org says a total of 2,290 Syrian refugees have arrived in the United States since fiscal year 2011

whatta country

POTUS has a lot of say in how refugees come in. I read that the limit is determined by his consultation w/ congress but I'm guessing he makes the final decision?

well they have to have somewhere to go and state governors have a lot of say in that iirc

iirc Sweden grants refuge to the highest proportion of applicants anywhere in the European Union and the implication that two thirds will stay is vastly more positive than it would be anywhere else.

yeah iirc upwards of 75% of asylum applications in France fail

Yes, and France is not the worst offender. Sweden has always deported close to 0% of Syrians, etc and close to 100% of Albanians and Kosovar, etc. A change in policy is important to pick up but without knowing where unsuccessful applications are from, it can't be read into the bare numbers.

right the success rate in France is quite different for people from the Balkans than for people from today's war zones

Germany's Merkel says refugees must return home once war is over

also this fresh horror: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html

Yeah, the motorcycle gangs and football ultras are getting very, very organized around this bullshit throughout Europe.

How much of a crossover is there with PEGIDA or is it a separate phenomenon?

37 people inc. 10 children drowned yesterday in the Aegean Sea

The Dutch Labour party is proposing a scheme where all refugees who reach Europe by sea are deported immediately:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/netherlands-plan-ferry-refugees-turkey-160128170612335.html

sounds productive

xpost -- there is some crossover. They march along with the Pegidiots, but are probably more physically and less politically dangerous.

I seem to remember an article about hooligans "shepherding" crowds v efficiently at the original PEGIDA demos.

They are existing groups used to, shall we say, crowd control issues, so it's a natural fit.

Greece football protest: Players sit on the pitch after kick-off

Yesterday at about 9.30am, David Cameron visited the Notting Hill farmer's market with about 10 hired goons, all in 'casual navy' (DC was wearing a hideous navy fleece). Even the Tories who work and shop at the market aren't crazy about him and/or his apparent lack of compassion. He was there to be seen to be caring about small producers yada yada, you get the drift...

One of the guys who works on the tomato stall criticised Cameron to his face for the appalling way he speaks about refugees (no swearing was involved). By 12pm, head tomato office called to tell the guy he might be sacked, because ~somebody~ on Team Cam phoned them up to complain about his interaction with the PM. Tossers.

also this fresh horror: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html

― Mordy, Saturday, January 30, 2016 4:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, the motorcycle gangs and football ultras are getting very, very organized around this bullshit throughout Europe.

― Three Word Username, Sunday, January 31, 2016 12:19 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, here it is

xp is that legal?

Uppity proles have been given marching orders at the behest of snide toffs since the dawn of time. Am just hoping the tomato boss calms down and sees his employee's actions as perfectly reasonable 'taxpayer feedback.'

Ugh, old friend of mine was sharing PEGIDA crap on facebook today.

what a world

http://mashable.com/2016/03/09/syrian-refugees-get-warm-canadian-welcome-at-furry-convention-in-vancouver/