"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

no way, that guy is an American hero

the guy did try to force his way into a courtroom...

At the point when a cop or enforcement officer raises his taser and takes aim at you – and you don't have a taser of your own – that's when you need to beat a hasty retreat.

maybe he got confused for a sec and thought he was a timecop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMnPnNIyPHA

"Not-for-hire" on the door, around, unh, pretty car, got the green mask on front...

these guys with their belief that they can hack the entire american justice system with some carefully placed loopholes
i blame Law and Order

I blame Nightmare on Elm Street.

loved the "gotcha" moment the dude had when he read the bailiff dude's nametag, total pwnage

whenever i'm in a position of privilege at a venue (working ticket lists and such), this is always the tipoff that i am dealing with a king asshole

"Check again, under my first name"
"Yeah, I'm sorry; I'm not seeing it there either. Do you know who put you on the list?"
"How am I supposed to know? Just check it again."
"Well, it's not there; is there anyone you can call?"
"Who's your manager?"
"Um, I'm my own manager."
"oh yeah... WHAT'S YOUR NAME" * pulls out iPhone and points it at me as if waiting for me to start breakdancing*

That was perfect ty

At the point when a cop or enforcement officer raises his taser and takes aim at you – and you don't have a taser of your own – that's when you need to beat a hasty retreat.

― pplains, Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ehhhh i dunnnnnno. i mean obviously this is a really different context but maybe i am really sensitive to this on account of the last year and a half's public conversation about law enforcement and the use of force and so on. i mean right up until then i was really feeling the guy blocking the door, and his cool-as-fuck answers to this loon's dumbass lines. just would have really liked a "sir, i am giving you fair warning that if you make another attempt to enter this courtroom i will use this taser." it sorta looked as if only a couple seconds passed between him taking out the taser and using it, like it's totally possible someone (especially an amped-up loon clearly spieling out some scenario in his head and maybe not that plugged into reality around him) would not recognize what it was or realize it was RIGHT about to be used.

That's all fair, seriously, but he will def recognise the next one so yknow growth through experience

i think that, given the fact that it's a court setting where it's not unlikely that someone could come in looking for revenge against a lawyer / judge / plaintiff, those guys take more or less zero shit and that's honestly one of the few settings where is seems appropriate.

it prob was not the first time they had encountered that loon tho

I don't completely disagree with you DC, but take my post from the POV of just plain common sense - based upon anyone aiming a taser at you.

But that said, I do not feel in the slightest that the bailiff needed to announce some sort of Robocop warning to the man trying to forcibly gain access into a federal courtroom.

Doc Casino is otm obviously but it's important to remember that to yr Freeman the Tasing is like a kiss, it's his consummation, his raison d'etre

he also says to the guard that your laws don't apply to me

the taser applies to him

The laws of physics, though...

(xp)

the whole sub-genre of *watch me make a fool of/school this cop* youtube videos is going to have some heeeeelarious results at times. i'm not a big cop fan but i did LOL at this video in the same way i would LOL at *little kid gets knocked over by cat* on youtube.

Dunno how he squares "I am an unperson and your country's laws don't apply to me" with his rights to freedom of speech and movement.

iirc he would regard those as being natural rights of some kind as opposed to the made up maritime dc conspiracy

sooooo, he can walk anywhere does that mean i can walk into his house?

and then tase him in his house?

you know what my motto is? stay away from fucking courthouses!

― scott seward, Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:15 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a fucking men

(that was meant to be read as AMEN with the word "fucking" in between A and Men)

good work everybody itt

i DO get a kick out of the whole *I can do whatever I want I'm not a citizen!* thing. i gotta try that.

I think it's some narrow, psycho reading of the Constitution and how it treats the several states, (i.e. believing we're in some kind of Articles of Confederation deal where states are forming a union, not a single country with administrative subdivisions) crossed with some paranoid-critical interpretation of the admittedly vague provisos about citizenship. So he believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but insists that you can't be a citizen of the United States, unless born in federal territory.

As for the taser and the warning... I hear what y'all are all saying. Just seems like so many of the same justifications rhyme with ones we might hear in a different setting. Like, idk, if some over-enthusiastic college kid at a protest got up in some cop's face ranting their own equally confused and cobbled-together understanding of the law and their rights, and the cop just shot or tased them without warning, would we be cool with that? Or is it specifically that this specific guy is one who all of us here would find completely insufferable? Not sure I totally agree that trying to enter a courtroom by force is different enough to require a different standard, especially since he was being barred from entry because of the camera, not because of any suspicion that he'd engage in violence once inside or something.

i'd argue that he was being barred following an attempt to forcibly enter a court.
it's certainly no explicit guarantee of safety if you DON'T do it but the fastest way to get in a terrible position is to lay hands on anybody working in a federal building that is open to the public. those guys are under high stress with long periods of boredom, wearing uncomfortable clothes and they're armed.

but yeah i hear you

"Or is it specifically that this specific guy is one who all of us here would find completely insufferable?"

this is kinda it for me...

I'm totally with you on this, Dr Casino. Much as I felt schadenfreude w/ a guilty lol, I'm kind of disturbed by how easily everyone finds justifying this.

Er, either "how easy" there, or "how easily everyone is justifying it".

Yeah. Let's not forget that tasers can kill people.

Yeah I'm partly "lol @ this clown" but at the same time I know there are people justifying all sorts of abuses of power by tired or pressurised or provoked law enforcers.

Doesn't precisely fit this thread, but did you guys see how rapper B.O.B. came out as a flat earther holocaust denier this weekend?

Noooo, any links?

but its not like he was a peaceful protester on the street. he was hostile and trying to get into the prosecutor's office in a courthouse after being told numerous times to fuck off and giving insane answers to questions.

Yeah, I'm sorry that I still don't think potentially lethal violence against his person is the answer there.

Like, idk, if some over-enthusiastic college kid at a protest got up in some cop's face ranting their own equally confused and cobbled-together understanding of the law and their rights, and the cop just shot or tased them without warning, would we be cool with that?

Step 1: Don't get in a cop's face

also like i said, i seriously doubt that was the first time that asshat was in that courthouse causing trouble

I am an American Common Law Superior Court Judge in Alaska where operation of the Seventh Amendment Courts started up again in conjunction with the Common Law Grand Juries more than a year ago and I also serve as a Federal Postal District Court Judge for the Western Region. As you can clearly see by reading the Seventh Amendment all matters pertaining to living people and their property must be addressed to Common Law Courts.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41543/is-oregon-standoff-over

I'm generally averse to state displays of violence/power but idk yeah maybe in this case it's just that I'm unsympathetic to this jackass, he was def breaking the law (for reasons I don't agree with), deliberately provoked the response etc.

re: BOB, check his twitter.
he is also against the cloning facilities run by the government.

http://nypost.com/2015/08/21/guard-shot-outside-federal-immigration-court-in-soho/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Las_Vegas_courthouse_shooting
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/09/man-charged-shooting-near-federal-courthouse-downtown-indianapolis/73668476/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

Just throw him down and cuff him. Tasing sucks.

^^^just a cursory two minute run around the internet regarding wackjobs and guns (and airplanes) attacking federal buildings

agreed tasing sucks, doesn't mean you get to act like that toward federal employees