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CNN reporting that some gas stations in Atlanta are charging $4.99 a gallon. That's where people should be looting.

It would have been easy to miss, Milo, but Blount upthread posted an article (linked to the words "aw shit" or something like that) which stated that the petro lines that go to Atlanta would be directly affected by the rigs affected by Katrina. So, it's a special case there, much to the misery of driving Atlantans' wallets.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

The JABBS Blog has an interesting point. Does anybody remember the whole "Bush holding hands with the Saudi Prince" thing from April? Exactly what the fuck did that meeting accomplish, if anything'?


kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

finger-footsie

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Glad to see Bush urgently assessed NOLA three days after the hurricane hit.. despite the fact that the hurricane had been in the news re: it's threat to NOLA for about a week or more before it hit.

I'm glad his pace his picking up.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

There's water appearing in the Interdictor cam on the street. Its stopped expanding for the time being, however.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

"I'm going to find Jesus' finger,'' Buras said. ''I've got a lead on it.''

Platoons of Christian soldiers were dispatched to the city's remaining Wendy's.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Glad to see Bush urgently assessed NOLA three days after the hurricane hit...

well it's not like they'd send him in the middle of the damn thing. not that i'd mind, but...

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

jesus christ. muthafuckin' SHARKS.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

I guess I'm questioning this whole concept of the president having to actually see the damage with his own eyes before aid is deployed.

Otherwise, we just wasted a lot of fuel for some doof to go "Man, I guess that IS bad, huh?"

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Any word on whether or not all the pro-life Christians were spared?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes God has to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Ultimately secondary of course but -- Bush just gave a televised speech and NROworld just (as much as they could, being them) rubbished it -- start here, scroll down. They seem to have noticed what many did four years back -- "Wow, this guy sucks when it comes to dealing with a crisis."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

I mean, it's the 21st century. If major news stations and a gazillion web sites are saying "shit is going down", it's probably true. Why do we need flyovers for this?

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

As someone who wrote into NROworld just said:

And don't get me started about how the first image of Bush coming back to Washington as thousands have died in a tragedy was him walking down the stairs of Air Force One with Barney tucked under his arm…

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

donut it's just dumb symbolism, not really worth worrying about. and has nothing to do with the release of aid money.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

the Interdictor feed just went out for me.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

donut it's just dumb symbolism, not really worth worrying about. and has nothing to do with the release of aid money.

Just as I figured. Is there any reason this tradition exists? Ok.. granted, there are a gazillion dumb symbolism traditions in every country I suppose. I'm just pissed because we're dealing with a major tragedy where time's of the essence, and to have our president go into the air, and waste fuel, just so he can nod and go "yeah, shit be bad down there" just seems so incredibly fucking stupid.

Also, as tempting as it is to mock the feeble minded nutjobs, can we stop talking about what idiots like Falwell have to say? Or just leave any Christian talk out of this in general? Religion is obviously not figuring into the mess happening right now in Orleans.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

(stence, I'm just ranting in general. None of that was directly at you, obviously)

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

If the Interdictor feed goes out, hit stop or refresh, then play. It just got pimped on CNN 5 minutes ago, so I'm sure the watch is in the thousands.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

In text, at least, Interdictor is venting a bit:

Looting: The police are looting. This has been confirmed by several independent sources. Some of the looting might be "legitimate" in as much as that word has any meaning in this context. They have broken into ATMs and safes: confirmed. We have eyewitnesses to this. They have taken dozens of SUVs from dealerships ostensibly for official use. They have also looted gun stores and pawn shops for all the small arms, supposedly to prevent "criminals" from doing so. But who knows their true intentions. We have an inside source in the NOPD who says that command and control is in chaos. He reports that command lapses more than 24 hours between check-ins, and that most of the force are "like deer in the headlights." NOPD already had a reputation for corruption, but I am telling you now that the people we've been talking to say they are not recognizing the NOPD as a legitimate authority anymore, since cops have been seen looting in Walmarts and forcing people out of stores so they could back up SUVs and loot them. Don't shoot the messenger....

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cjrdaily.org/images/31_08_05airf.jpg

"The FUCK you lookin' at, man? This is as close as i'm gettin' that shit!"

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

i can see why they'd grab SUVs

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

The Mad Max comparisons aren't even remotely far off. See also: the link to the cop walking away with DVDs earlier.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

whoa. CJR Daily points how the Times-Picayune is still publishing, only in a 13-page online edition.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

More NRO venting re: Bush about all this. I have to admit I'm actually surprised at this panicky reaction...but maybe not. I think they're realizing at last just how *un*popular Bush really is for most.

xpost -- er, yes Kingfish...I linked to that edition and various nola.com stories throughout the day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Blanco is losing her shit right now on WWL.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

the T-P is publishing from Baton Rouge or somewhere, no?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

xpost oh. righty-o. i didn't notice that your stories were from that source.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

It's a mix of that and WWL, mostly the latter as they more quickly update. Both are the best media sources right this second, it seems.

Yes, Baton Rouge. They evacuated there early yesterday.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Mad Max-on-water would be, what? Waterworld? both the cops and the looters already have plenty of guns, how long before they start modding boats?

say, anybody remember hearing two years ago about how, due to the shortage of armor, U.S. troops in Iraq were being allowed to "modify" humvees? i read rumors about how some of them took the opportunity to do full-on Mad Max jobs, but I never saw any photos of the results(assuming they'd ever get published).

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

now cnn viewers are writing in to whine about all the countries that owe us favors.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Its only a matter of time before we start to see technicals appear. Then there's gonna be some shit.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

but christ, folks really are in a post-apocalyptic world down there now, aren't they? i wonder how the theories about how humanity would react(e.g. a reverting to tribalism) are playing out...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Ever wonder what would happen in a world suddenly plunged into anarchy? Well, now you know. Again. I wonder how this will affect anarcho-syndicalist theory.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Was just watching CNN while waiting for takeout and they were posting viewer e-mails discussing international suppourt. Allow me to paraphrase,

"I can't wait to see the S. Korean Army on the streets of New Orleans keeping the peace."

"I for one think the Bush family and the Saudis should come help. After all, they have our Rent-A-Army over there..."

Now, this says to me that the viewers are very cynical. It also suggests that these are the only e-mails CNN has to run, which means that much of the country is a negative nancy when it comes to the Bush admin. and the prospect of foreign help...

The Original Jimmy Mod: Waiting for the return of the Lohan's titties (The Famo, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Russians are helping their own in Texas, at least.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

also, from a comment on the LJ post about the armed goths mentioned upthread:

Official Search and Rescue Center at the Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness

[...]

Cell phone communication is extremely limited, but Text messaging on Verizon, Cingular and Sprint networks appear to be working.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

CNN reporting that some gas stations in Atlanta are charging $4.99 a gallon. That's where people should be looting.

Huh, guess where I have plans to be this weekend?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

And over at NRO world Dreher finally unloads:

Well, let me join the dogpile. The more I think about that miserable laundry-list speech of his, the madder it makes me. I've been watching cable news and WWL's online stream for the past few days, and Bush's speech was as canned and unrealistic as if it had been phoned in from Mars. All day long, stories of incredible suffering, armed mobs of looters roaming the streets, babies and their mothers in desperate conditions ... and the president rattles off a policy speech in which he stops to thank a Texas county executive? Pod's right: the continued viability of his presidency depends on how he handles this thing. It will take nothing for the "Bush doesn't care" meme to circulate through the culture, especially as desperate Louisiana people start to grumble about all the Louisiana National Guardsmen serving over in Iraq instead of helping their own families and neighbors who have nothing.

They're running a couple of letters from people trying to argue differently almost as if they're fishing for them. It's a bizarre meltdown.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

In NJ today I saw a price difference of more than 40 cents a gallon within a few miles. It's obvious that there's some profiteering going on here, which is rather despicable.

Bad conclusion. Imagine two gas stations across the street from one another. One selling unleaded for $2.49, the other selling unleaded for $2.79. Is the second one price-gouging? No. What happened is the first station is still selling the gas they bought four days ago. The second station ran out of the supply of gas they bought five days ago, and had to buy more gas yesterday. Gas prices went up 30 cents the day before yesterday, so the second station has to sell their gas for 30 cents more a gallon to clear the same profit.

That's not even taking into account the normal variation in price depending on location. Gas stations don't all pay the same rent just because they all sell gas.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Bush in acting like Bush shockah!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

but christ, folks really are in a post-apocalyptic world down there now, aren't they? i wonder how the theories about how humanity would react(e.g. a reverting to tribalism) are playing out...

Subtract the water, and rewind to April 29th, 1992...
The place is Los Angeles.

http://images.ibsys.com/2002/0426/1420892.jpg

"Hi, ny name is Reginald De... OW!"

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Granted, the death toll from the L.A. Rodney King trail riots was FAR far less... so I'm not trying to equate the two.. but just sayin' that this isn't the first time America has had the "wow, it must be apocalyptic down there" gaze before.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

Not to mention the even more intense Watts fires from decades before... Kent State 1970, etc.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

And oh yeah, New York City, September 11th, 2001.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

i think this is the first time since the Chicago Fire in 1871 that an entire city might essentially be destroyed however

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

sorry but posting that russian story as a sort of "selfish bastards" thing is fucking dumb. consulates and embassies release similar notices concerning nationals that they are responsible for following any major incident in a foreign country. just cos someone on an email list trawled thru russian news agency sites or it got posted on a blog doesnt mean its significant or newsworthy.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

WWL is showing that people stole a milk truck and two postal service vehicles to drive out, and were apparently arrested. Shit, I don't know how to feel about that. Would you try them for a felony?

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

how are they currently apprehending criminals?

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, I just heard assorted Weekly Standard editors crowing about how THEY paid their insurance so why should anyone give a fuck about or help people who choose to live in low lying cities or on/near fault lines.

Jesus, you look under the lowest sewer and they're still somewhere beneath, smirking.

Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)


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