why do you think good, "literary"-ish journalism outlets keep closing, other than for the reasons mentioned by ham? is there a smart non-sophomoric reason, or is it just sophomoric to say the true reason?
― flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:43 (ten years ago)
good journalism doesn't create it's own market and the demand for it is highly depend on the fragile whims and egos of super-elites is a good thesis imo
― flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:45 (ten years ago)
i like the contrapuntal dissonance of holding up England Britain as a non-capitalist model of journalism right underneath a photo of someone reading the Daily Star
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:47 (ten years ago)
i pick up an issue of gq or esquire or vanity fair or w/e when i'm traveling as a sort of ritual, but i've been at home lately so i grabbed one at the store
magazine is thinner than ever, 1/3 is advertorial (shades of that episode of 'girls') and the two long-form articles, which those publications still manage to sneak in, are pretty weak. bleh.
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:49 (ten years ago)
some level of journalism can probably be naturally supported by the market but not at the level we're currently at. like every frontier town can maayyybe support one fast-talking nosey can't-mind-his-own-business reporter w/ a press card on his cap
― Mordy, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:49 (ten years ago)
The answer is that quality and audience do not go together. The media is not the enemy of thoughtful writing. The public is.
says the media.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:49 (ten years ago)
I've been in journalism for 20 years (first paid credit November 1996), edited three magazines, two newspapers and a couple of websites, and nothing Nolan says in that piece is false or even exaggerated. People love stupid crap. Sometimes they'll read an interesting, smart story, but they'll go right back to crap afterward. Me included. Media ownership has been a playground for rich idiots for hundreds of years, and will likely never be anything else, at least not under capitalism. (State media is a separate issue, of course.)
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:51 (ten years ago)
as much as I ridicule the NYT it is probably as good as The Guardian, and better at some things - and despite the shellacking local US papers have taken they are mostly better than any/all local papers in the UK
television/radio is an entirely different story of course
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:51 (ten years ago)
Any talent he has as a prose stylist disappears under layers and layers of greasy, florid smugness. He's clearly too precious to be asked to trim a sentence or a paragraph here or there even when he's making the same point for the third time.
I didn't realize the death of good content demanded this particularly sneering and hateful explainer, but I guess if you guys have never read a piece on the economics of commercial news media before, it's an okay start.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:52 (ten years ago)
yeah i'm not sure any amount of editing could have stripped that tone away
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:54 (ten years ago)
I love the assumption that I had an issue with the point he was arguing, like I'm a fucking numbskull who doesn't understand why some parts of magazines are pictures of attractive people with just the name of a perfume in big letters
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:54 (ten years ago)
i don't think 'socialize the media' is a serious alternative (although uk has good some private media alongside bbc so it's not either/or) but Hamilton's beat is cranky socialist guy, plus that's like one half sentence added in as kind of an afterthought
― flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:54 (ten years ago)
sorry i assumed you didn't like else about it other than the tone, my bad. tbh Tombot u are just craving to edit him lol
― flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:55 (ten years ago)
easy to see how i can make that mistake though since everything he writes is in the same tone
― flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:56 (ten years ago)
his tone is the WORST
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:57 (ten years ago)
well, that's fair
I thought you were getting at it being the naive college sophomore seeing the true shape of the world and attempting to illuminate
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:08 (ten years ago)
well that too but apparently the point needed to be made I guess? I was pretty sure I understood why my CVS checkout counter is festooned with 120-point yellow letters instead of a wide variety of science and literary publications
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:26 (ten years ago)
maybe his next article can be about how Top 40 is a format entirely composed of third-hand ideas
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:30 (ten years ago)
that point needs to be made. i don't think its really common currency
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:31 (ten years ago)
― El Tomboto, Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Do you not follow media people on Twitter at all? When Grantland and the Dissolve shut down, people seemed completely at a loss that sites THEY clearly read all the time weren't profitable
― ♫ as we get older and stop making threads ♫ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 January 2016 23:31 (ten years ago)
I try to follow nobody on twitter and have gotten pretty topnotch at it
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 January 2016 00:09 (ten years ago)
I guess a lot of gawker posts make more sense if one assumes that they are using their competition as an audience proxy. Actually a lot of a lot of things about modern web media make more sense through that lens. Doesn't give me any more appreciation or use for it, though.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 January 2016 00:13 (ten years ago)
I try to follow nobody on twitter and have gotten pretty topnotch at it --El Tomboto
Am I supposed to read this in Ron Swanson's voice?
― ♫ as we get older and stop making threads ♫ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 January 2016 00:25 (ten years ago)
Close enough
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 January 2016 00:26 (ten years ago)
El Tomo Swanboto
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 15 January 2016 01:57 (ten years ago)
Meet Gawker’s New Boss: ‘Russia’s Richest Man,’ Viktor Vekselberg
― mick signals, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 22:23 (ten years ago)
Aw man, Vikky V-Berg! Yeah that guy's really cool
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 22:28 (ten years ago)
meet gawker's new boss: a minority investor in the company
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 January 2016 23:52 (ten years ago)
Always good to see minorities involved I spose
― Saoirse birther (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 23:54 (ten years ago)
if only!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:05 (ten years ago)
does the union have any input on this kind of thing?
i would think not, but i dunno, what if the guy was all BLOOD DIAMONDS
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:11 (ten years ago)
He has a colourful history, for sure.
Organised labour probably best staying out of his way on past experience.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:14 (ten years ago)
Fabergé egg bonuses!
― I expel a minor traveler's flatulence (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:22 (ten years ago)
Countdown to Hulk Hogan dying of polonium poisoning...
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:24 (ten years ago)
Colourful history month
― broderik f (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:24 (ten years ago)
― mookieproof, Wednesday, January 20, 2016 7:11 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
nah
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:39 (ten years ago)
All of a Sudden, I'm Way More Excited For DC's Upcoming Movies Than Marvel's
― ♫ as we get older and stop making threads ♫ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:40 (ten years ago)
security flaw could allow hackers to
― trigger warning: your mom (mattresslessness), Thursday, 21 January 2016 00:41 (ten years ago)
awesome https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/690236890449100800
― flopson, Thursday, 21 January 2016 18:37 (ten years ago)
I know this has been beat to death in other fora but it really is amazing and sad that the hulk hogan thing has had such significant repercussions for the whole outfit.
― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Thursday, 21 January 2016 21:03 (ten years ago)
mostly sad but kinda lol
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 January 2016 21:57 (ten years ago)
i love this hed
Matt Hendricks Stops Slapshot With His Dick & Balls
― ♫ as we get older and stop making threads ♫ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 22 January 2016 19:54 (ten years ago)
jesus christ this review
http://steamed.kotaku.com/darkest-dungeon-the-kotaku-review-1755308882
i know way too much about this person now
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 03:14 (ten years ago)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 03:15 (ten years ago)
clue in today's nytimes mini crossword
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 February 2016 16:06 (ten years ago)
It’s always a nice wink at an unknowing audience when a movie reveals a huge spoiler during the movie itself. It’s harmless fun that most people don’t even catch because they don’t know enough about what’s happening in the movie yet. But on future watches it gives a little extra chuckle layer for people to enjoy.
― ♫ as we get older and stop making threads ♫ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 February 2016 16:15 (ten years ago)
Aw, come on. Lay off Casey Chan, man.
― how's life, Friday, 5 February 2016 16:21 (ten years ago)
no, he is the fn worst
― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 5 February 2016 17:41 (ten years ago)
wow omg can u believe that foreshadowing is a literary device that exists? totally epic, you won't believe it, watch the most hilariously epic sriracha bacon of all time blow you away
― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 5 February 2016 17:44 (ten years ago)
extra chuckle layer
― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 5 February 2016 17:46 (ten years ago)