"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

can't these guys just suffer life-ending aneurysms already

militia dudes are such dorks

They felt that I'd say

should see the rationalizations for this on my feed this morning:

"this is what happens when the government loses its moral high ground".

oh, right. that's what it is.

militia dudes are such dorks

― nomar, Sunday, January 3, 2016 9:47 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

on the one hand i get that these children turn to militia dorkism because they're in a repressive, economically and culturally desperate shithole with nothing to offer. but really they're so privileged in these small towns, a little imagination and some gumption and they could pretty much get away with murder if they wanted to, to say nothing of profitable small-town corruption. jeez they have it good. they're all driving huge-ass trucks on land credit. federal policy keeps their ranches treading water even as their debt mounts. just like the rest of the middle class. why do they need this silly cult of purely symbolic abrahamic righteousness to top it all off, just going to fuck everything up for them the dolts.

malheur is a giant salt marsh. it's beautiful country! not great for a home depot though. :( ammon bundy says he's going to stay in that building for years! what a moron.

out here in the crazy middle-of-nowhere west, this shit is mainstream! there are elected congressmen in utah who spend millions of taxpayer dollars hiring snake oil louisiana law firms to fight this battle to "take back" federal land in actual courts. we're talking national forests! like jesus you stupid greedy shitstains. the idiocy + cultural rot is astounding.

you know what these guys should get into? lensemaking. for sweet local binoculars. the world is full of l0u1s jagg3rs just waiting to discover the avian wonderland of the great basin.

ammon bundy says he's going to stay in that building for years! what a moron.

How is this supposed to work? I mean, after the cops block the roads so no food can get in or out.

Initially confused in the reporting by what "BLM" stood for. Think I got it now.

Beef lo-mein?

somehow i doubt they're thinking of starting a cattail diet. water is also a problem. xp lol, yes it's much more readily recognized as standing for "Bureau of Land Management" in the land that forgot about racism.

every tiME I read the thread title I imagine Morrissey singing it while slapping himself with gladioli and the Constitution

...just like every other white man.

this is one of these idiots' facebook page. what's this 3 percenter thing? first i've heard of it

https://www.facebook.com/scrappyphx.rider?fref=ts

just reading through the posts of the last few weeks of his, it's pretty clear that he was openly planning something. pretty astounding how idiotically brazen he is. it reminds me of the mouthbreathers who opened fire on the black lives matter protest in mpls, they literally made a video for their 4chan buddies with their faces in it describing what they were going to do. if they weren't so menacing their stupidity would be kind of funny

FBI is flying in tonight, we'll see where this goes tomorrow. all my Oregonian friends are outraged. from one native of the area:

Make no mistake, Bundy and his ilk are out-of-state meddlers who do not represent the people of Harney county. Good people on both sides who live in and understand this land have worked hard to find common ground and these guys want to stir up conflict and division.

yeah it seems like they are quite a minority and my generalizations above about the area are subjective to say the least

so is the crossed-out #blm thing on their vans anti-BlackLivesMatter? or is it bureau of land management?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk

probably the latter; bureau of land management is in charge of nearly a quarter of oregon's land last I read and that's who they're beefing with xp

They're also mad at the National Act for the Assistance of Conservation Parklands.

I keep seeing quotes in the media about defending the constitution. What is the particular chapter and verse that they're trying to bone-pick about?

last i read they hadn't indicated any specific demands that would resolve the "standoff" is this still the case? like they are the kinds of ppl who are just mad and want a change / restoration of the country or whatever but can't actually itemize complaints in an actionable way

i thought they had complaints about eminent domain type stuff? what are the chances this turns into a Waco type thing?

Just want to share this nugget:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX26PAbUsAEvmEW.jpg

Oh,they probably think the BLM isn't constitutional. They think most of the federal government isn't. This reminds me of the "Is Trump fascist?" thread. For real, the "patriot" squad are supporting both. They believe the sheriff ought to be the highest authority. So that is how their fascist police state would work. These are the same people who counterprotest in places like Ferguson. Local authorities good, feds bad.

My spy source on the right told me that these people's beef with Washington is also racist. They view Washington as serving urbanites esp. black people. This sovereignty shut is just wire men's entitlement. Patriotism entails subduing everything non-white. I say this because media often portray them as not racist in their concerns or motivations.

Sorry, New tablet. "White men's entitlement."

https://actionfast.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/bunk-mcnulty2.jpg

i've been seeing a lot of "if they were black or muslim they'd be dead" point scoring on social media today. feel like such commenters shouldn't give up hope yet - there's still a good chance for a federal massacre.

i'm confused as to why this is being called a "standoff" since it doesn't sound like there's any law enforcement there for them to stand off with?

maybe they've set up some cardboard cutouts that they can shout and shoot at

lol, that would be the best.

xxp from what i was reading before i think the matter is being handled by the fbi as of today, but this was referred to as a standoff prior to this involvement and it doesn't sound like anyone is really challenging these guys. i kind of wonder what would happen if they just ignore these fools and let them gesticulate until the media tires of the story and they militia eventually disbands.

yeah it got me thinking that ignoring them seems like a great idea.

i guess this could force them to escalate but also it still isn't clear to me what specific demands could be satisfied (short of dissolution of the govt) to resolve this. given the relatively general form of their complaints i wonder how dedicated they are to sacrificing their bodies to the cause (such as it is)

people said the same thing about Occupy iirc

Pretty sure they're just trying to manufacture a crisis, hoping the Feds show up so they can start shooting then up the gadsten (sp?) flag bat signal for the other lunatics to come on down and exercise their second amendment rights

some good background on their Mormom roots (even for a Buzzfeed article):

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/heres-what-you-need-to-understand-about-mormon-history-if-yo#.apGyjrexJ

There's an interesting twitter feed that defined what these guys are doing as "enclosure" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure

Ie taking common land and turning it into private land, with its benefits going only to the now-owner instead of the society.

Exactly. It is OUR effete, urban, minority-loving government they are provoking. They are a bunch of conquistadores.That is the sort of nation they want to be patriotic about. That's why they will "never forget" September 11 th, but don't mourn the victims of the OKC bombing,nor do they care about federal personnel hurt by white extremists. War on Islam =OK, war on domestic threats not similarly patriotic. Then they get out their flag whenever a defenseless black person is shot by police,implying that Black Lives Matter are traitors.

people said the same thing about Occupy iirc

despite a lack of parallels elsewhere, occupy was a similarly unfocused protest that had goals too nebulous to distill into a series of explicit demands and was likewise pointed at the wrong targets and accomplished little/nothing

Calling it a protest, IMO, is playing into their hands. It's an armed confrontation. They are a terrorist group by any definition.

I mean, they think like fascist terrorists, they don't need to articulate goals. They have been looking for the opportunity to confront the government.

I'd call it more of a violent tantrum.

Whoa - this is what the SPLC said:

"The sheriff reportedly received death threats for
not being a “constitutional sheriff,” standing up
what the antigovernment extremists brand as
the “tyranny of the U.S. Government,” and
offering sanctuary to the Hammonds –
something they didn’t request."

These people piss me off.

is the presence of guns the main objection? bc i could imagine worthy left wing causes occupying a space in order to create political change that would be championed here not derided and it seems like opposition to this is centered on it tactically (eg i have seen v few ppl discussing whether they have legitimate reasons to be upset about imminent domain and grazing laws, but lots of talk about how this is terroristic criminal behavior). i don't even need to imagine bc obv there have been tons of left wing activism movements that /have/ occupied spaces (and have even employed some level of violence in doing so). i bet some of them even protested imminent domain laws.

like if the problem is that their goals seem inchoate i remember that was the right's v critique of occupy

Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, "claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers." In reality, he said, "these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”

In an interview with reporters late Saturday night posted on Facebook, Bundy said he and others occupied the building because "the people have been abused long enough."

"I feel we are in a situation where if we do not do something, if we do not take a hard stand, we'll be in a position where we'll be no longer able to do so," he said.

Bundy said of the park headquarters: "It is the people's facility, owned by the people, and it has been provided for us to be able to come together and unite in making a hard stand against this overreach, this taking of the people's land and resources."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/01/03/militia-members-occupy-us-building-in-oregon-after-protest/78226600/

Bundy seems confused about the difference between a wildlife sanctuary and a community center, social hall, town square, or church basement, at the very least.

xxp EMINENT domain dude

I think the local outrage is primarily due to:

1. they are from out of state and not very welcome
2. past history of dumbass behavior by the Bundys
3. blatant kid-glove handling of the situation due to their race & privilege
4. it's a goddamn bird sanctuary
5. "ready to die" nonsense posturing

not all of these are believed by the same demographics imo

I could give a shit about the guns, everybody in Harney County has guns.

thx for the correction. re "blatant kid-glove handling" like the federal gov did invade an armed compound when i was 9yo and killed a ton of ppl and it was a huge deal. WACO's whiteness didn't protect them in 94.