Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

"20-year-old woman" sounds kind of odd to me?

mostly her age just seems an unnecessary detail: could they not have said 'young woman' and left it at that?

Age is the ultimate unnecessary detail in most newspaper journalism though.

mentioning the 98-yr-old's age was pertinent.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/g
girl
female under 18

Maybe someone who works there should read their styleguide instead of just trying to sell it to readers for some reason.

mostly her age just seems an unnecessary detail: could they not have said 'young woman' and left it at that?

― horses that are on fire (c sharp major), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 09:34 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Well, exactly.

For fuck's sake, people. We hacks don't necessarily have time to consult the style book for every word, especially with breaking news (and I speak as the author of two in-house style guides). In this instance, does it really matter at all? No.

Glad everyone's got so much to occupy their minds this morning. Jesus fucking wept.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/12304045985t78.gif

The truth is, though, that most of us in any everyday convo WOULD call a 20-year-old female a girl. I know females a lot older than that who are still happy to be referred to this way.

Radio then consisted of one channel, and the only programme was Marconi reminiscing about his childhood holidays to Skegness.

Stuart Marconi?

Totally yoinking that gif Tracer! haha.

should have mentioned if she has a boyfriend or not

The genius of Tracer's gif (which I'm going to link to, repeatedly) is drawing attention away from "Stuart Marconi". Wonderful.

Simon Jenkins attempts to counter an argument that no one has seriously made since 1963.

:/ He should stick to grandiose indictments of ossified central government, which he does better than anyone else I can think of.

Ditto Marcel Berlins writing about anything other than law, the latter of which I thought was supposed to be his brief, but instead he writes about, I dunno, these crazy milkshakes and iPods they got these days.

the ipod has eliminated the need for all simple pleasures. obviously jenkins must be culled. these are the tenets of modern society.

How this cretin escaped the directorate of hatcheries must be ascertained

every time I turn on my ipod I revel in the knowledge that older people are dying, like the useless shrivelled onion skins they are.

Nice subbing in the title tag of that article btw

I could have sworn I've read this exact same article some months ago, but I can't find it?
Woman gives hubby a year of sex as a present.

OK, it wasn't in the Guardian, it was the Mail 10 months ago...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1033911/Could-make-love-husband-day-year.html
Exact same photo though.

I'm pretty sure the Observer or someone wheeled that out at least a year ago as well.

I am quite pro-Guardian at the moment for the way they are pushing the Tomlinson thing though.

Like most newspapers, the Guardian prints a lot of crap, but they have really excelled themselves with all the Ian Tomlinson/G20 stuff.

Eh, which is basically what Matt DC said.

Agreed, it's miles better when it actually bothers to do some, y'know, journalism.

Most viewed on guardian.co.uk

1. 1. Stuart Jeffries talks to Charla Muller who offered her husband sex every night for a year and wrote a book about it
2. 2. Liverpool 4-4 Arsenal: Four-goal Andrey Arshavin shatters Liverpool's hopes
3. 3. New G20 protest footage shows moment Ian Tomlinson's head hit the pavement
4. 4. Andrey Arshavin the unlikely hero as Liverpool forget how to defend
5. 5. Budget 2009 - as it happened

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/23/nazi-culture-film-hitler

from page of site:

Tanya Gold
Nazi cows, Nazi cats, actors playing depressed Nazis. It's all just Hitler porn and it disgusts me

Steorra
23 Apr 09, 12:54am (about 8 hours ago)
I know exactly what you mean, Tanya. I'm reading this book by a girl called Anne Frank and I'm sick of her constantly mentioning Hitler.

lol, pwned.

Manclad
23 Apr 09, 1:40am (about 8 hours ago)
I know what you mean. I keep going to watch zombie films and reading zombie websites, and I'm frankly sick of everything I watch and read being about zombies. What's wrong with the world?

You guys...

Dreagon

23 Apr 09, 12:44am (about 9 hours ago)

I guess the Nazi's were the last interesting Europeans there were. You gotta admit, you guys have become pretty bland and easy to ignore.

Besides, it's time to put the Nazi's in perspective. As bad as they were...Stalin and Mao were worse.

They left Gordon Brown off that list.

This disgusts me. It makes me wretch.

Good job subs. Shame you missed out the indefinite article.

how can she eat so many minstrels when genocide is happening right now?

For how much longer must we tolerate Tanya Gold?

She is terrible, like a bold child.

Who the fuck sucks a minstrel?

A minstrel's wife?

I have a morbid fascination with TG because I still can't believe she was shameless enough to write this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/jul/19/familyandrelationships5

I used to stand at parties drinking vodka, like a small Judy Garland, drooling at his Aryan blondness.

Hang on a minute...

Adolf Hitler himself could have written that

I find her a bit blousy and if she didn't keep mentioning Oxbridge you'd never guess that she went beyond remedial ed.

He had become beautiful: half-Irish, half-black

This reminds me, last night I was drinking with some pals next to the canal in Victoria Park, as you do, when this guy stopped and said in full Cockney "Is vat a Dub accent?". He then proceeded to tell us he had moved to London from County Meath in 1970, and he'd lost his accent completely because in those days you'd be beaten up for having an Irish accent. He was v angry about British oppression of the Irish.

Then he introduced himself. "I'm Desmond. IT'S NOT A BLACK NAME. My whole faaakin life people say 'that's a black name'"

I really wanted to reply "My name's Malcome Exe, it's not a black name!"

should have said to him "there is an old African saying..."

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/10/11/desmond460.jpg

did he mean 'Black Irish'?

Coupla weeks back, a black guy started talking to me on the bus 'cos he thought I was Irish then when I got off the bus this really small and angry Irishman came over to me and said, "Was he hassling you? Those bastards fucking hate us. Don't they know we're the blacks of Europe?"

I don't really know, we said Desmond is an Irish name. Then he began discussing Montserrat, where many black people are called "Paddy O'Reilly" etc due to slaves being sent there. He had some angry point about Irish slaves being worth less than black slaves which I tried to salvage with a "Oh I'd say they were alright!! Too fond of this stuff *points at can of beer*" but he was like "no they didn't have time for beer, they were working 20 hours a day!"

x-post that's robbed from Roddy Doyle, "The Irish are the ni***ers of Europe, and Dubliners are the n***ers of Ireland"

I didn't really feel the urge to discuss his literary references with him, to be honest

I tried to salvage with a "Oh I'd say they were alright!! Too fond of this stuff *points at can of beer*" but he was like "no they didn't have time for beer, they were working 20 hours a day!"

I hate it when people do this