Is the West Experiencing a Right-Wing Drift?

h/t the donald trump thread

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/_MxkTUjnGeBaoavzdNapdX_UqkI=/1600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4082854/Figure_7_.0.png

I'm not sure I understand what is meant by "shift in the percentage replying..." -- e.g. if 1000 respondents were surveyed from the United States in 1995 and 50 said "good or very good" then, does the chart mean that the number/1000 increased to 55 in 2014, or does it mean it increased to 150?

i.e. are we talking percent change or percentage point change?

the way i understand it, if in 1955 20% said army rule is good, and then in 2015 30% said so, there would be an increase of 10%? does that make sense?

btw i think the premise of this thread is true more than ever right now.

I don't think there's an overall rightward drift in the US. I do think there's a rightward drift on the right.

xp that makes sense, as long as that's what vox means

btw i think the premise of this thread is true more than ever right now.

― Mordy

I dunno. hard to say. to play devil's advocate:

likelihood is the United States will elect a democrat next year for the third election in a row.

Canada just voted out the conservatives in an election where the conservatives purposefully used wedge issues and stoked islamophobia as a vote-winning tactic.

The ruling party the conservative PP in Spain failed to return a majority in the election on Sunday.

I do think there's a rightward drift on the right.

^^^this

otoh france has moved so far to the right that the socialists had to throw their support behind the republicans to keep the national front out of power

terrorist attacks will do that

It's also important not to treat the opinions of the youngest voters as the future, necessarily, because people's opinions can tend to moderate as they age.

"moderate"

I do think that we've seen an increase in a kind of hyper-emotional style of politics that drives people away from grudgingly settling on the middle. I think the internet and social media actually have begun to break up the hold that mainstream news channels and the sensible-sounding center had on US politics, with both good and bad effects. I think Sanders' substantial support is evidence of that every bit as much as Trump's -- it has to be the internet and social media that have allowed Sanders to raise the kind of funds he has from small donors while being given little attention in old guard press and tv outlets.

I think as far as a worldwide rightward drift, though, that was actually happening from the 80s through 00's and now may have pulled back a bit. Maybe not in every country, but in the US and much of Europe (in spite of surges in right-wing nationalism), I think so. Obviously Israel has gone further right, maybe India has.

The responses on the army-rule question are not necessarily comparable between countries -- a heavily destabilized country like Iraq might have good reasons for seeing army rule as an alternative beyond any "rightward drift"

India's internal politics don't track much with other countries afaict, lot of unique competing interests and circumstances there

re France our republicans are to the left of your American republicans, tbh the Front Nationale is to the left of your republicans

sort of impressive india has never been under military rule

in the United States there was a definite rightwards shift in center-left coalitions starting in the late seventies and peaking in the presidency of Bill Clinton.

i don't know if this phenomenon has as much to do with ideology as much as it has to do with structural changes in capitalism

xxp 1858–1947

fwiw i was arguing w my dad a month ago and he called me a progressive, which was weird, cos that's maybe the first time in my entire life anyone, let alone him, has said that. i blame Trump and Facebook.

you should tell your dad that you're a La Follette Republican

We all need to reach out to our Muslim family and friends, imo

Maybe that's condescending? I hate this shit. My irl friends (yes I have a few) know how I feel.

bump.

fingers crossed i don't have to bump this thread again in nov.

while neocons like Kagan fundraise for Clinton, the more reliable War Pig.

stfu dumbass

lol, timely revive :(

while neocons like Kagan fundraise for Clinton, the more reliable War Pig.

― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, June 24, 2016 9:19 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's really remarkable how human-like this experiment in artificial intelligence is. it's almost as if a real person is up around the clock, posting the same ideas every ten minutes, couched in slightly different language, metaphors, and invective. whoever programmed this bot deserves more attention than she is getting.

the same like 3 people bop in to respond to every single morbs post and you're one of them so who's the bot here

http://www.theycallmedaymz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/whostheboss.jpg

to answer the q idk if it's an overall drift but the right we've known is being eaten alive by the right we thought was dead

big french election next year too. marie le pen looking pretty smug today.

the same like 3 people bop in to respond to every single morbs post and you're one of them so who's the bot here

― goole, Friday, June 24, 2016 11:00 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i happen to read many of the politics threads, and morbs happens to post 400 times an hour in those, 90% of his posts variations on the same thing. sorry if once in a while i mock him for it. makes it every slightly more bearable, in the absence of a reliable post filter.

sorry we're all engaging in hyperbole here. i don't respond to "every single" morbs post (that would be several full-time jobs) and he doesn't post "400 times an hour."

Marine Le Pen's FN can count on 25% of voters but it's hard to see them breaking out beyond that.

I have a friend active in Mélenchon's Parti de Gauche who is hosting a Brexit party tonight. They're working toward a Frexit too, and they may be able to pick up 10-ish% of the vote next year.

So if there were to be an alliance of the Eurosceptic Left and the Right, it would at any rate have more of a voice in the legislature than French euroscepticism has had to date. But I don't see them winning the presidency.

quite intrigued to know what a melenchonian socialist brexit party ends up looking like

marine le pen makes think ivanka trump is gonna run for some sort of office after her dad self immolates in november

http://www.wsj.com/articles/spain-votes-in-election-rerun-1466930740

Is Ivanka, deep down, a fascist? Xp

sure why not

This is primarily about Eastern Europe but is relevant and interesting:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/lee-kuan-yew-legacy-116317

bump

maybe the accelerationists were right after all and this is good news

even in worst case scenario countries have survived much worse

This is worst than right wing drift, it is embracing sheer objective ignorance.

guess I better bookmark this again as well

he's for sure more shit than most right-wingers but imagine how freaked the fuck out france is gonna be next may

let's talk worst case scenario for a few minutes --

in terms of major geopolitical/domestic crisis this will not be as bad as ww2 or the civil war - much more tumultuous, likely far more death and misery at those times. domestic is not going to be great. it's hard to imagine they actually roll back roe v wade but that would obviously be simply terrible. economy likely going to take a major hit almost immediately. europe should probably be concerned about the NATO threats - maybe nat sec industry can impress on trump importance of backing agreements there and in asia. domestic light fascism - ramping up militerization of police - obv major problem. climate change probably fucked but as i constantly hear we're already absolutely fucked so maybe not a huge sea change there.

us AG will OK voter suppression and no democrat will win nationally again

What's the gossip? I just came across that..

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/businesses-fear-economy-if-swiss-vote-cap-population-10-million-2026-06-08/

Swexit?

That is dumb as hell

eco-fascist drift in the air

maybe direct democracy isn’t so great

Surely there are some mercenary outfits they hire to make sure the population stays under 10 mil.

as well as driving up rents and crime

redundant

intrigued by Swiss gun nuts, they seem pretty different from US gun nuts

maybe direct democracy isn’t so great

as i understand it switzerland is an entire nation dedicated to proving this concept

Lol