Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

so only politicians with the ability to draft and bring legislation to the House floor should be permitted in this thread?

I actually made a pretty strong argument in the other thread for not focusing on repealing the second amendment.

Well maybe a better way to think about it is cost/benefit. The political process for amending the constitution is SO difficult in today's political climate to begin with, and until a pretty recent Supreme Court case, the Second Amendment wasn't the main barrier to effective gun control anyway. So I think it's REALLY not worth the kind of expenditure and effort it would take to try to repeal the second amendment, in part because even if we win it doesn't actually mean we get effective gun control!

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, October 2, 2015 8:53 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Heller v. DC was only 7 years ago. Our gun problem is much older.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, October 2, 2015 8:55 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And meanwhile, yes, I literally think it's a better strategy to "sit around waiting" for a majority liberal court, which could easily be within 5-10 years, then to go through the circus of trying to amend the constitution. And if that court does materialize, you don't actually have to then "wait around" for the right case to come along. All that has to happen is a state or municipality passes a law that appears to violate Heller, and some chump takes the bait and challenges it in court.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, October 2, 2015 8:57 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thing is, i agree with you.

i wonder if focusing on how disgraceful and embarrassing our gun deaths are will do anything to move right wingers, who tend to be nationalists. like, as nationalists, aren't they ashamed we have a massacre per day?

i know jingoism is irrational but i don't understand how someone can look at these numbers clearly and compare them to other countries and decide that the US has the right idea on gun laws.

Dear America: Here’s Your Gun Solution
Here’s some common sense for you. I want gun ownership to be as boring and annoying as car ownership. I want you to go to some Department of Weapons and sit for hours. I want folks who own guns to prove their skill, their mental and physical health, and to be licensed and reviewed over the years just as happens with our driver’s licenses. You earn the right to own and drive a vehicle; earn the right to own and use a gun.
Quibble with me over semantics if you want to; what is a “right” vs. what is a “privilege.” I’ll be busy with my friends and colleagues trying to prevent more unnecessary deaths.
Gun ownership isn’t some inalienable right granted by God. Remember, the Constitution was written by men coming out of a long and bloody war near the end of the 18th century. It was written for their time.
It also included the “right” to own a human being.
Things change.
Folks evolve.
I want a voluntary federal buyback program for firearms, with hunting weapons and vintage/historic weapons exempt. I want the sale of weapons to be even more tightly controlled than the sale of Xanax and other controlled substances. I want advertising for firearms to be as regulated as DTC (direct to consumer) advertising for pharmaceuticals (“May cause shortness of breath, long-lasting boners, etc.”) We can do all of this. It’ll create jobs, believe it or not: regulators, educators, enforcers.
It will not end murder. It won’t end rape or robbery either. It WILL make it harder to commit those crimes. There will be a black market for guns as there is for any coveted item in a capitalist society. (And I’m not anti-capitalism, btw. I’m a big fan! Sorry, hippies. I do love you guys, by the way, you’re very nice people with good instincts.)
Continuing education credits for gun owners should be required, just as they are with medical professionals. When you have a greater ability to take a human life you have a greater responsibility to prove your fitness to wield the tools that may create that end.
And that’s how the fuck you well-regulate a goddamn American militia.

https://human.parts/dear-america-here-s-your-gun-solution-3f22db6e0fbf#.ewxnmz48j

xp to treeship- everyone knows the problem isn't guns it's secular humanism

also islamism and the ferguson effect

yo mordy

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/12/03/does-motive-matter-in-mass-shootings-like-the-one-in-san-bernadino

as nationalists, aren't they ashamed we have a massacre per day?

Honestly feel that a decent number of these types feel that people who get killed in mass shootings are the weak ones and if thy were there they'd have been the hero who took out the shooter.

^^^ yes, a la Ben Carson's delusional heroism. Also, blaming gun-free zones.

Hamilton Nolan being Hamilton Nolan.

maybe we could get guns classified as a trans fat

telling the loons that the Constitution was written for another people and time will work about as well as letting them know the Bible is not the divinely inspired Word, but a set of tribal myths.

As the San Bernardino attack was happening, investigators believe the female shooter, Tashfeen Malik, posted on Facebook, pledging allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.

The posting was by Malik made on an account with a different name, according to one U.S. official. The officials did not explain how they knew Malik made the post.

What's the point of all the secrecy (using different names, destroying hard drives, etc.)? I don't get any of that at all. Unless they honestly thought they were going to somehow survive and escape.

that's what i think - that they thought they'd get away. i think i read today or yesterday that authorities thought they were on their way to a second attack site when the shootout happened?

destroying CIA evidence

glad they found the incontrovertible evidence of a Facebook post, no way that could possibly be faked

"that's what i think - that they thought they'd get away."

Wouldn't shooting a bunch of people who know you kind of preclude getting away though...

weren't they wearing masks?

I mean, the whole thing is baffling and incomprehensible but it only becomes more so if they actually thought they were going to go on a murder spree and then just, like, chill afterwards.

Sure that might disguise them a little, but I'd still think "guy worked there, left party earlier, etc" would be pretty high on a POI list...

Sounds like sympathetic to but not formally tied to ISIS.

Esp. if guy you know legally purchased a mess of guns....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

“At this point we believe they were more self-radicalized and inspired by the group than actually told to do the shooting,” one of the officials said.

glad they found the incontrovertible evidence of a Facebook post, no way that could possibly be faked

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, December 4, 2015 8:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's fun how the federal government is either dangerously hacking into your personal information through secret back doors or bumbling through email on their AOL account depending on one's current topic of interest.

why the fuck are the police letting the landlord open the apartment to the media? what the hell is going on? how incompetent are the cops here????

They said the police finished searching the apartment last night. At some point it's just another apartment.

uh

i mean at some point yes; but there are ids and documents all over the place. this isn't filling me with very much confidence in either local or federal authorities

the identity of the infant child of murderers isn't really anyone's business

Presumably they went over the place completely and removed everything of interest.

Presumably they went over the place completely and removed everything of interest.

Oh, is that what we're to assume? And "of interest" to whom? One of these TV cunts held up the guy's mother's driver's license and Social Security card, numbers and address fully visible, on live TV. Seems like that information could be "of interest" to a great many people, most of whom you really wouldn't want to have it.

that infant isn't talking

Well, OK I haven't seen any footage from inside. I was imaging a few camera pans and nothing more. I withdraw the comment.

wtf??!!?!?

I've never seen anything like this in my life, this is insane.

i am so fucking angry

I cannot believe what I'm watching, how can the authorities allow this?

MSNBC is a disgrace to humanity

all news media is str8 garbage, it's so depressing

There's about two dozen media outlets in there, I was watching some ghoul from Sky TV traipsing around, trying not to bump into various other camera crews and reporters babbling away and leafing through documents etc etc.

MSNBC Televised 'journalism' is a disgrace to humanity

this is a real low point

The shooting made me feel sad and hopeless. This makes me feel furious and hopeless. I hope every one of these motherfuckers loses their job at the very least.

Are there criminal charges that might apply to what these walking shitstains did?

like what

the thin scrim of journalistic integrity, concern, and responsibility falls away yet again