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many x-posts - Everyone? No, of course not. That said, I do think that I know a lot more unhappy people than I do happy people, yeah.

Jean Stapleton was hot

idk the typical ilxor is also like a caricature of leftist intellectual who moan about life under late capitalism. most people don't think about that shit, and depending on what your kid majors in neither will they. u know?

― flopson, Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:06 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk man last time i spent a summer working in a factory pretty much everyone there moaned about life under late capitalism, albeit not in those terms

fair, it's raising kids but those are kids who are already here! it's not "does the world need a kid", it's "do I want to raise a kid in this world"

idk the typical ilxor is also like a caricature of leftist intellectual who moan about life under late capitalism. most people don't think about that shit, and depending on what your kid majors in neither will they. u know?

― flopson

This. God.

I have friends who worked in plastics factories or candy factories in their hometowns before later moving to where I am, and have siblings who live in those areas. fwiw they have strong amounts of Trump support there, so idk, human misery

My boss is a Trump supporter. Has one of those red hats on a shelf behind him in his office. But he has never seemed particularly miserable or rage-filled; in fact he's quite happy, laughing and smiling all the time, and we get along great.

Imagining ppl itt like, blowing their fringe out of their eyes, like, yknow, capitalism man yknow, life sucks, man

wtf even is this thread now btw

what your kid majors in

basically in the US getting a college degree is inferior to a lot of other trade programs unless you have a specific field you're aiming for

which isn't necessarily bad, but I feel like the most clued-in people to this in my area are kids of immigrants, and they are doing pretty great! and that comes with its own political and social understanding that a wite kid like myself had to learn

dismantling of the liberal consensus, capitalism retrenches the lines of global exploitation that were meant to be vanishing with the colonial program

1) how many people are even aware that these two things happened? if you walked up to people on the street and asked them "has the liberal consensus ended" maybe 25% of them would know what you were talking about and say yes?

2) conservatives and non-anti-capitalists exist, so maybe half of those 25% cheer the former and are actively happy about it. maybe 1% of people are anti-capitalist? so 99% are cool with the latter. so you've got 6.25% of people who wish the liberal consensus hadn't ended, and 0.25% who are sad that capitalism hasn't ended

3) how many, among these 6 and 0.25 percent, feel actively sad about that, like to the extent that they are bummed out about it on a day to day?

xxp place to talk about the feels without cluttering up one of the current events threads imho

I'm not attracted to men with fringes over their eyes

*controversial opinion*

you wanna risk being that person?

you can discuss happiness now or throughout history etc etc but if this is yr baseline reason to have children then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

life is generally good, you have to take yr lumps, some ppl weren't built for that because they think harsh reality is for others

it helps if you're from a people of grievances, darragh

idk man last time i spent a summer working in a factory pretty much everyone there moaned about life under late capitalism, albeit not in those terms

― thwomp (thomp), Wednesday, December 2, 2015 10:15 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i can definitely imagine that life is shitty for people who work in factories in england, but the % of people who work in factories in the UK must be approaching zero fast, so that's good, no?

I consider myself a beneficiary of what Freud termed "normal human unhappiness." I don't really believe in "happiness" as a persistent state of living, but I feel like my life is worth living.

many x-posts - Everyone? No, of course not. That said, I do think that I know a lot more unhappy people than I do happy people, yeah.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, December 2, 2015 10:13 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:-(

Flopson otm mookie otm

I come from a fuckin *family* of grievance mh but idk that having access to the entire misery of the internet means that life day to day ain't always gettin better like buddy holly was still around and narrating it

you can discuss happiness now or throughout history etc etc but if this is yr baseline reason to have children then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

― mookieproof, Wednesday, December 2, 2015 10:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not my baseline reason to not have kids, it's my attempt at a persuasive argument to the idiot who wouldn't have kids for the fear of the opposite happening

:)

Should clarify I just don't want kids cos fuckem

lol

i can definitely imagine that life is shitty for people who work in factories in england, but the % of people who work in factories in the UK must be approaching zero fast, so that's good, no?

― flopson, Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:21 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk man ime factory people have it better than retail ppl and call center ppl

idk the party line was always "everything is great, get with the program" in life and I really thought I wasn't allowed to have my own problems, I'm sorry for throwing that back out at the world

i think that was a pretty common narrative at that time

also i think darragh is probably good with kids

But what's that mean thomp?

it's my attempt at a persuasive argument to the idiot who wouldn't have kids for the fear of the opposite happening

ah, then you are arguing with no one in this thread. cool

I'm great with kids cos I never have to worry about the consequences its absolutely ideal tbh

i heard darragh loves cats too

tbf mookie I may have thrown that out as a light slap at ecodoommongers earlier itt

to be clear i'm not really arguing the 'so don't have kids' bit, i am just enjoying inhabiting the apparently both niche and cliche view that life rn is not all that great

dismantling of the liberal consensus, capitalism retrenches the lines of global exploitation that were meant to be vanishing with the colonial program

1) how many people are even aware that these two things happened? if you walked up to people on the street and asked them "has the liberal consensus ended" maybe 25% of them would know what you were talking about and say yes?

2) conservatives and non-anti-capitalists exist, so maybe half of those 25% cheer the former and are actively happy about it. maybe 1% of people are anti-capitalist? so 99% are cool with the latter. so you've got 6.25% of people who wish the liberal consensus hadn't ended, and 0.25% who are sad that capitalism hasn't ended

3) how many, among these 6 and 0.25 percent, feel actively sad about that, like to the extent that they are bummed out about it on a day to day?

― flopson, Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:20 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk if i can be bothered with yr math here but for a whole minute i thought yr '3' was relating to the third item in my trifecta viz bowie and i was like man idk how many ppl are bummed that there aren't more bowie records as good as 'station to station' but there really should be

I don't like cats or kids so fuck me

ok here's my deal: have kids, if the world they are born into is an apocalyptic hellscape you can give them to me free of charge and they will join my death cult

the new bowie song is pretty cool!

Was that your summary of it

Flopson OTM throughout, incl about the Bowie

Oh! You pretty things beyond thunderdome

I'm fine with Bowie not releasing any more good albums.

my friend is now a QA engineer for manufacturing, formerly worked on the production line, think he kind of misses the production aspect and hates the non-union management-track crap he deals with now

with factory work, assuming it's *good* factory work, you end up being able to go home and leave your work at work, and created something. some call centers are just sieves of misery

one of my best friends from high school was very competent at his job, and ended up being the person who called people behind on home mortgage payments to work out payment plans. it was very seldom someone who was just irresponsible, mostly people talking about their spouses being on disability, sudden illness, family tragedy. and it wasn't a position that led to promotions -- even if he was good at it, he'd just be given more difficult cases.

I'm fine with Bowie not releasing any more good albums.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 December 2015 03:32 (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Controversial opinion itt

more boomer artists should retire, spend their dough, drink Campari, and never return

dismantling of the liberal consensus, capitalism retrenches the lines of global exploitation that were meant to be vanishing with the colonial program

1) how many people are even aware that these two things happened? if you walked up to people on the street and asked them "has the liberal consensus ended" maybe 25% of them would know what you were talking about and say yes?

2) conservatives and non-anti-capitalists exist, so maybe half of those 25% cheer the former and are actively happy about it. maybe 1% of people are anti-capitalist? so 99% are cool with the latter. so you've got 6.25% of people who wish the liberal consensus hadn't ended, and 0.25% who are sad that capitalism hasn't ended

3) how many, among these 6 and 0.25 percent, feel actively sad about that, like to the extent that they are bummed out about it on a day to day?

re 1: 'how many people are even aware that these two things happened' is not the point, 'how many people on low incomes lead worse lives than they would had the anglo-american political climate not shifted' is the point. it's a pretty high percentage!!! i would look up some numbers on food poverty but w/e

re 2: if you're not at all bothered about continuing exploitation of the under-developed world then no matter how happy you are you are not leading a 'sweet life', you are morally vacuous and/or mentally subnormal so whatever?

anyway bye comrades i gotta go do some goalless physical labour in my spare time to develop a body physically attractive by a set of arbitrary standards totally unreflective of the sedentary lives we lead now that our 'work' lives are mostly aimless sitting around, peace out guys, viva la revocion

i think that is the short version of this stage of society -- people are finally realizing the get-things-done jobs are good, but too many are disappearing, while the misery sieve ones are still there. makes ppl of my ilk realize the social safety net needs to be a lot larger because it'd alleviate the call center traffic while keeping the people who need that work afloat

more boomers in general should float off into the sunset

Thomp u mad cranky lately what's on ya

do pictures exist of darragh with a cat

ftr i love (and do want) kids and hate (but could maybe grow to like if I got to know some cool ones) cats

well darragh i sorted out my sort of homeless and can't hold down a job type problems but i moved to a country i don't speak the language in the process, it's been a ... transitional year

mh otm about .. all of these kinds of jobs, incidentally

xp yeah but they've got weird food there so

Ooof...grats on the good stuff and commiserations on the tough stuff thomp

thanks man

j this is 4u:

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