Twitter C/D

i searched twitter once for ppl using the phrase 'logical fallacy' and gamergate hashtags and printed them all out and made a collage of them

im really fascinated by the currency that 'logic' has amongst fringe right-wing ideologues on-line, the need for governing authority or w/e

Love twitter. Can not understand people who get into beefs and arguments on the thing. It's like yelling at someone in a passing car.

i've posted plenty about the weird 'logic/emotion' binary these ppl are obsessed with, it's usually to complain that others make decisions or have stances based on 'emotion' (often women)

really it's ironic because the ppl who say this are big whiny babies

well, when someone is going on about how logical and rational they are being...reach for your gun, as the saying goes.

i guess that's maybe a different species from libertarians who are all "i'm just going to analyze this from first principles, why hasn't anyone ever done that before" - just as ugh

the appeal to logic, the primacy of 'critical thinking', the desire for 'objectivity' are all interesting parts of neo-reactionary discourse on-line. the emotions are for girls/the weak thing is part of it, the gameifiction approach to life, general silicon valley life as optimization puzzle stuff leads to the desire for a concrete, solvable method of arguing? also just the general fear of ambiguity, uncertainty, complexity (particularly verbal complexity).

i've posted plenty about the weird 'logic/emotion' binary these ppl are obsessed with, it's usually to complain that others make decisions or have stances based on 'emotion' (often women)

i see this, but like, lots of really moronic viewpoints are illogical, eg patriotism, religious zealotry or whatever, logic is important.

like p much all arguments ever involve someone saying "that doesn't make any sense..."

critical thinking skills are important, "logic" less so

their versions of 'logic' and 'emotion' or w/e have nothing to do with the actual concepts

Yeah but some issues require knowing actual facts about the world to reason well. MRAs etc lecturing about logical fallacies tend to avoid learning about the experiences of other people.

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i am a logical, objective man and will scream at you how you are wrong

an interesting point, but what say you to my unsolicited rebuttal?

their versions of 'logic' and 'emotion' or w/e have nothing to do with the actual concepts

obv don't agree with using a binary of logic and emotion, or with the mra type you're discussing.

but "critical thinking" is just another way of saying "logic" - there's nothing wrong with "logic" as a concept just because some idiots have used it to abuse people or patronise them. i'm sure you can find someone doing this with "critical thinking", that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with that as a concept.

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i am very pro-logic but as i like to say the problem with people who claim "logic" and "reason" are on their side is that they never love those things as much as they claim. they don't really care enough about logic to really follow it through.

and p much everyone lets their wants or desires or whatever cloud logic prob 30 times a week, no one is immune. but it's prob still something to strive for. like dismissing that "you are being illogical and emotional" person would prob require logic too...

speaking of being pro-logic, i just read this yesterday and thought it was really interesting (had no idea about the mental imagery controversy and considered polling ilx on the topic):
http://lesswrong.com/lw/dr/generalizing_from_one_example/

no one wants u to know about the fallacy fallacy tho

my posts dont really have anything to do with logical or critical thinking as actual things in the world, just more curious abt how they became totems for diverse neo-reactionary groups across the internet. like gamergate types for example will consistently accuse ppl with different viewpoints of lacking critical thinking, in ways that dont particularly line-up with the conventional meaning of the term. its interesting how widespread this tactic is on the right to me? idk it just seems representative of a lot of the anxieties that ppl on the far-right have abt modernity, the search for authority &c.

Dawkins is probably the ultimate "LOGICS FIRST, EMPATHY NEVER" poster bloke in this regard.

i tend to think people who appeal to logic do so as a way of bolstering their authority as a speaker, not so much in the service of argument. ethos over logos, in rhetorical terms. using "logic" to justify an emotionally held belief is cart-before-horse stuff and extremely common

Logic blows lmao

logic is good for finding out who is a bitch ass nerd

h8 rationalism

LG that is exactly what I meant, I am just really confused by the fact that "actual logic is good" is a stance you are trying to take

Lamp gets it

#actually logic is good

all nerds love logic
all twitter nerds are dumb babies
give richard dawkins a wedgie
QED

Fav for modus ponens, RT for modus tollens

tbh posting qed at the end of all my tweets seems super legit.

hey nerds... check this out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic

*every nerd deactivates their twitter and logs off forever*

I think what the right-wing/libertarian "logic" crew fail to realise is that valid arguments aren't necessarily sound ones.

remember when glenn greenwald used to respond to everyone who made fun of him lmao

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hell yea good days

(Plus, yes, lots of things lack bivalency and thus it's a futile effort to even apply logic in those realms.)

(xp to self)

LG that is exactly what I meant, I am just really confused by the fact that "actual logic is good" is a stance you are trying to take

well some things are logical - i dunno how someone could entirely favour empiricism over rationalism - some issues are more weighted towards one and vice versa. even if you are saying "you can't understand this because you have not experienced it" - there are situations in which logically that is true.

what does bivalency mean?

i think logic is cool and we shouldn't let logic trolls give it a bad name, and we certainly shouldn't concede that right wing positions are "logical" and opt for non-logical justification for leftism. libertarians claim "logically," status all the time but they actually beg the question which is itself an epic logic fail. the logic trolls that i most frequently encounter are austrian economists, who have these clever and deceptively simple logical arguments justifying free markets.

oh the austrians. the apposite phrase i love most from those guys is "properly defined"

terrorism is the ultimate logic imo when u think abt it

omg you guys I am clowning him because "actual logic is good" isn't a stance to take, it is common sense

did you know water is wet

let's expend lots of words on how thinking through your thoughts is a good thing

is... it?

i *thinks* am *thinks* thinking *thinks* now

that hurt

Illogical clowning imo

illogical clowning imo

sorry I got emotional

imo being rational is bad, act from the heart or cojones like a real twitter hardman

it's funny that the phrases "valid arguments aren't necessarily sound ones" and "critical thinking skills are important, "logic" less so" are both things people posted to this thread. words are so dumb lol why oh why can't we just speak in arrows pointing at greek characters

I was confused because I actually do think there are times where it is good to do that. I tend to question things every way

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