Magic: The Gathering C/D

yes 18, i might've played 19 as often as 17. 3+ colours is fine but the fixing is scarce so you have to have a good reason and then prioritize evolving wilds etc. i think part of the reason green is so poor is that they have kind of sacrificed it as the foundation of multicoloured decks instead of adding more broad fixing. the 3 drop guy who taps for any colour might be the nest green common, and this set's variation of the common land grab spell is very playable.

evolving wilds is almost first pickable, I have def 2nd picked it a few times now.

19 is def okay if you are using one or two utility lands too.

awaken cards are all better than they seem. just pretend that they're creatures. roil spout is better than most rares.

is this like Black in Avacyn Restored, or even worse? hard to believe R&D would nerf a color so hard in this modern era

If green is open there's a good chance of getting lots of so-so green cards and no payoff cards

that said, some of the green archetypes are solid - RG landfall and the '5-color' green deck (usually GWU) come to mind - but the green cards for those decks are generally available mid-late, you're early picking the red burn spells or the UW awaken spells, and those cards let you get into other powerful decks in the event that green isn't wide open to support them

i think the only non-rare green card i've pack 1 pick 1'd in this format is Brood Monitor

i 'like' u/g a fair bit in this format at least rn in mtgo 8-4s. this is the fourth pick greenwarden of murasa meta admittedly. you also often end up splashing either white or black in these decks for rares.

my big problem was getting Conduit of Ruin out and having it killed right away. those Awaken/bounce spells are nasty. I knew this card was a trap!!

haha that is a sad sequence for sure. conduit still a v good card despite the risk

I've had some success with UG midrange decks, but I think it speaks more to the power of blue than green. The Converge deck is just about the only strong green deck that I've seen, because you can actually make use of Lifespring Druid and Tajuru Stalwart, which are only powerful in the right deck. Basically this:

its more that green is like 100% roleplayer cards

Not a fan of RG landfall though, I've never seen it work well on my side or my opponent's side.

is that commune with lava scapeshift deck the real deal? it is one of very few modern decks that I could feasibly play, but it's hard to tell if it is actually competitive or if dude just had a really good/lucky run

the deck is fine, it loses pretty bad to faster combo decks e.g. infect or storm but crushes the midrange decks and anything else that can't lock the game up in 4 turns

it's also a very easy deck to pilot relative to the rest of the format which is more relevant than people think in long tournaments like GPs imo

so, apparently this is real

http://mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/wastes.jpg

Definitely real along with several other related cards including new kozilek

first thought, does this make Domain/Sunburst go to 6?

no

it doesn't have a basic land type, is why

-it's a basic land, so Evolving Wilds and Rampant Growth can find it, and you can play more than 4 copies in a constructed deck.
-it doesn't have a type, so it doesn't count towards mechanics that count basic land types
-it produces colorless mana, so it doesn't count towards mechanics that count colors of mana

why they chose to add a colorless mana symbol midway through the block is pretty perplexing though, now all the spawn token making cards in the first set essentially have to get errataed since they should say 'add (C)' rather than 'add (1)'

yeah a new type of mana seems like a big enough deal that it should've been there from the start. I don't think the intention is to make Waste mana rare (in draft you can add as many of these as you want, right?) so yeah the fact that spawns don't produce it is rather odd

well spawns do produce it, so does hedron archive, kozilek's channeler and probably some other cards that im forgetting. they just dont have they new mana symbol on them which is potentially confusing

this ultimately seems more confusing than interesting/helpful, despite being designed to make things less confusing

the new ullamog seems very strong in older format decks that I hate like tron and mud

are we saying that spawns generate the same type of mana as Wastes? That's not how I read it. For example, I don't think you can cast Kozilek with just a bunch of spawns.

yes they do

yes, every card from sol ring to spawn tokens that used to produce {X} now produces {C}. or, really, they always produced {C} but there was no distinction btw {C} which is colorless mana and {X} which is generic mana of any color. now that there are cards that cost explicitly {C} to cost, its necessary for colorless mana producing cards to dilineate this

is {C} Wastes mana or just any colorless mana? are we saying here that a bunch of spawns can be used to cast new Kozilek?

as far as I know, none of this has been confirmed or clarified by Wizards, or have they come out with some kind of rules explanation already?

they just did confirm it

wastes mana = colorless mana

new ullamog is 8cc so you can't cast it with 10 forests but you can cast it with 8 forests and two urza's mines

ohhhhhhhhh

makes sense, hadn't seen the latest on this

(in draft you can add as many of these as you want, right?)

logistically it wouldn't make sense to have a new basic land be addable, since stores and players don't just have stacks of Wastes sitting around already, and not all drafts happen in WPN-sanctioned stores that get sent boxes of lands for events.

you prob don't want too many in your deck, unless this set really ends up playing like a 6 color set

oh and above references to ullamog were actually kozilek oops

all those dumb Timmy cards are the same to me h8 tron so much

I'm also surprised they didn't start using the new symbol in the previous set. Maybe they found there was too much baggage on top of the already pretty confusing BFZ. I guess having an Eldrazi Titan introduce a new symbol is pretty splashy though, and people might have guessed the mechanic if they introduced the symbol without including it in any costs. Anyway I think it's a cool mechanic. I made it to the pre-final round of the Great Designer Search several years ago and the world I created was based heavily on the mechanic of having to pay with colorless, but I wasn't sure if it would actually play well.

Y'all heard about the guy who wants to pay 40k if someone runs a Seance deck at the next PT?

Yeah lamp mentioned it in the bitcoin thread, pretty weird

https://twitter.com/utdzac/status/675211961915830272?s=09

this build actually seems pretty sweet, though probably a little too clunky. it would be playable at a local modern event at least.

I did have a seance deck during scars/innistrad standard that I played a few times as a gimmick, it had a combo kill where you seanced a 1-of mirror mad phantasm, used it to mill your whole deck, then seanced a lab maniac on your upkeep. Probably not going to cut it in modern though, it barely worked in standard

yeah I think that build is smart cause it's a value deck w/ something of a combo upside instead of being all in on reanimation. my guess is that it would have a hard time closing out games even after being ahead though.

my understanding is that he got a bunch of offers from ppl who are q'd but no one i know heard back from him. he then took down his reddit post for 'legal reasons' that went unelaborated on. popular speculation is that hasbro/wotc approached him asking him to rescind the offer. i like the theory that he found someone he liked to take up the offer and we're going to see someone jamming a seance deck at the pt but that seems... unlikely.

the same guy previously paid people to destroy copies of the card

also paid someone to wear a t-shirt with seance on it at a regional ptq iirc

ok can someone explain what the "expeditions" sets are? do certain Zenidkar packs just contain random foil lands? and are these cards Standard/Modern legal? because uh, some of these spoiled cards...

some Zendikar and Oathwatch packs contain random full art foil lands. They are only legal in a constructed format if the non foil versions are also legal. So expedition battle lands and ally fetches are legal in standard but enemy fetches and shocklands are not. However, they are all legal in limited if you open/draft them.

ahhh, that part is cool. I wished the original Zendikar treasures worked like that. I look forward to getting Strip Mined in draft, really I am

maybe they can throw a crucible of worlds reprint in OGW

LOL, forgot that they are legal in limited. You can keep your Strip Mine, I'll take an Ancient Tomb.

ancient tomb is pretty bad in fair limited

it's still pretty strong