Iβm not sure when your father started to dislike me β perhaps when I had the audacity to betray my working-class background and go to college. Actually, not just college, university.
What age is this guy? In his 90s perhaps?
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 November 2015 12:03 (eight years ago) link
They do need to refresh a lot of the columnists.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/22/why-the-hidden-work-of-women-needs-to-be-recognised
I'm sympathetic to the argument, but I'm not convinced that this journalist is any longer in touch with modern Britain and its issues:
For example, as Iβve said before, the young women sent out to marry Englishmen ruling India had to control all the staff and cater for the whole outfit β the kind of stuff which would have counted as a serious job if a man had been doing it.
― quixotic yet visceral (Bob Six), Sunday, 22 November 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link
Otoh I'm sure the columnists are refreshed enough most of the time
― noe love derp wev (wins), Sunday, 22 November 2015 14:15 (eight years ago) link
somewhat surprised and disappointed that the 'lbzc' did not manage to do a rolling dave simpson thread from that era when discussing guardian music writers was responsible for about 13% of ilx threads
This would be premature and grossly unjust considering there is still no Paul Lester thread.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 22 November 2015 14:20 (eight years ago) link
On the plus side, it was good to see news today of Max Gogarty, after his abortive gap year column some years ago.
― quixotic yet visceral (Bob Six), Sunday, 22 November 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link
LOL, indeed. Earlier I wondered if the guy who wrote the letter to his godson was in his 90s, well Katharine Whitehorn is 86.
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 November 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link
This obituary seems to be more about the author than the subject. http://gu.com/p/4ejb7?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
― Madchen, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 00:00 (eight years ago) link
Didn't seem too bad to me, though much of the material has already appeared in the Telegraph obit last week.
― quixotic yet visceral (Bob Six), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Ben_Everitt/status/679657860280758277
great stuff from the guardian.com
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
Now I do politicsy stuff in the countryside and strategyish stuff in the City. Views my own, etc
― The β fan from the hilarious "xd" coombics (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
Recycling Twitter posts is quite lazy, isn't it?
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/29/lemmy-from-motorhead-is-dead-and-the-internet-pays-tribute
― djh, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
There were five other piece though
http://www.theguardian.com/music/motorhead
― Alba, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, my irritation is with the idea that collecting Twitter quotes is worth doing. There might be an argument for an article saying something along the lines of "Traditional media doesn't cover this well or reflect how people feel about this or misses the point" but the link quoted just seemed silly.
As with many of the things posted on here, it's not a Guardian specific criticism, either.
― djh, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I kind of hate that these round-ups are branded as "the internet/Twitter reacts", but I think it's probably worth collecting these quotes. Ideally, they'd be combined with a ringaround for fresh tributes, but it was the middle of the night and tweeted reaction is there for the taking.
I guess I take issue with the word "lazy" as it implies nothing else was being done.
― Alba, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
Not for a second suggesting The Guardian's coverage as a whole was lazy. Actually, it makes me wonder what I'd hope for from a new source - initial news story, fleshed out news story, obit and (later on) more considered piece, maybe? So, I'll be on here later whinging about too much coverage ...
― djh, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jan/08/alanis-morissette-to-be-guardian-weekends-new-advice-columnist
― Alba, Friday, 8 January 2016 13:02 (eight years ago) link
i don't want to hear one single joke about this.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Friday, 8 January 2016 13:14 (eight years ago) link
Something good for a change:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/09/my-syrian-refugee-lodger-helen-pidd?CMP=twt_gu
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 January 2016 11:01 (eight years ago) link
Goes back to shit:
"David Cameron Leads Twitter Tributes"
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 January 2016 14:14 (eight years ago) link
At last some REAL front-page news!!!
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/19/twitter-down-over-web-and-mobile
― Liebe ist kΓ€lter als der Todmorden (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 09:13 (eight years ago) link
how will they get their stories now???
― The Male Gaz Coombes (Neil S), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 09:14 (eight years ago) link
The financial losses reported last week were brutal. I think they're planning to announce severe cuts later this month, though some of them are likely to be to the ambitious plans around arts venues etc. The report also pointed out that the Mail Online is also running at a loss despite being the most popular news site in the world by a mile so idk what the solution is.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 09:39 (eight years ago) link
The problem is that the world is not financially sustainable.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 10:20 (eight years ago) link
xp the Popbitch website of all places posted a p interesting how-your-sausages-are-made thing about the Mail website - think this is from 2014 but I doubt they've markedly shored things up since: http://popbitch.com/articles/Profits_Of_Doom.html
― Skaciety (pronounced the way you'd pronounce society) (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 10:40 (eight years ago) link
Thanks! That's really interesting.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 10:50 (eight years ago) link
obv the mail is vile but i have to say when i read the hatton garden stuff last week their account was just like immensely more detailed and interesting than anyone else's. i dunno if that's because they are more intrusive or whatever, but it just felt like better reporting. they really rinse a story dry when they cover it - i guess in the circumstances it's not a case where there's much possibility of them having a really offensive slant, pretty much everyone went for the lol old codgers with hilarious nicknames angle - but compared to bbc their take just had so much more info.
(speaking of that case - i can't be the only one who finds it hard to muster a sense of injustice about someone stealing from people who are so rich that they hide their expensive rocks in boxes.)
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 10:54 (eight years ago) link
It was mostly small-to-medium family business (often with limited insurance) that lost out, rather than oligarchs iirc.
Outside of Hatton Garden, which does mostly cater to the local diamond trade, knocking off security deposit boxes has always been a winner if you can manage it as lots of the stuff that's stored in them is stolen and won't be listed on inventories / reported to police.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 11:04 (eight years ago) link
MailOnline's editorial team is fucking huge, I don't see how it can be anywhere near profitable.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 11:16 (eight years ago) link
fair enough - my bad. ]
yeah there were a lot of weird parts to the story that touched on this. and also some line about them leaving info for the police in one of the boxes.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link
weren't there rumours that they were targetting specific boxes that maybe belonged to the ad4ms family? (not the creepy/kooky ones)
― sktsh, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 12:46 (eight years ago) link
This has some info on possible Adams links:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3402867/The-hit-got-Hatton-Garden-masterminds-hook-Goldfinger-gangster-gunned-stop-exposing-Adams-crime-family-revealing-identity-run-robber-Basil-Ghost.htmlAnd yeah LG otm, I think the Mail still retains the traditions of and the infrastructure for classic British crime reporting - I suspect it's contacts as much as a willingness to be intrusive. I'll usually end up there if there's a crime family story or Real England murder that catches my eye.
― woof, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 13:15 (eight years ago) link
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hatton-garden-heist-leader-found-7196229
this is p weird.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 13:27 (eight years ago) link
The story of the break-in was made into 2008 film The Bank Job, starring Jason Statham and Daniel Mays.
Yeah, I remember this was televised fairly recently.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 13:49 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/society/live/2016/jan/22/britain-on-the-booze-live?page=3
The Guardian has decided to do a live blog version of one or those police-sponsored clip shows. Interesting time here, obviously it's entirely society is in the gutter, mostly reads like a police or hospital press release, lots of passive voice and dull, faintly sarcastic asides. P much worst thing I've ever read in the Guardian.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Saturday, 23 January 2016 07:02 (eight years ago) link
Damn my phone, interesting tone I meant. NB I am not drunk right now.
I usually hate lol @ feckless underclass stuff, but 'Booze Britain' was a guilty pleasure a few years back. I used to like the bits where they'd cut away from the drunken mayhem and interview some paramedic, or cop, on duty, who would be like "It's terrible, you see fellas glassed, women going to toilet in the middle of the road, vomit, broken glass everywhere... <shakes head> you know why it is don't you? <pause> It's the booze."
― Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:13 (eight years ago) link
i kind of liked it too, but mainly due to the way the tone would want you to be on the side of the police but quite often they were provoking as much as on the receiving end.
i remember once, on either booze britain or like police camera action, the brummie narrator called someone a "valve". like "this valve decides an alleyway is a perfectly good public toilet, but dc briggs begs to differ".
never heard it before or since.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:25 (eight years ago) link
Are you sure that wasn't Ted Maul narrating?
― The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:29 (eight years ago) link
I made up the context, can't remember exactly what that was.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:41 (eight years ago) link
I used to watch Booze Britain to put myself in the mood for a night out
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 23 January 2016 15:24 (eight years ago) link
We used to watch these a lot, often we would say "hang on, the PC is being a dick here"
― Mark G, Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:28 (eight years ago) link
yeah otm!
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i've often wondered, if they're happy to go on TV as aggressive, patronising, antagonistic bullies then what the fuck do they think they can get away with off-camera?
― Jute Gazte (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:51 (eight years ago) link
i always wonder about the civilians being filmed too. do they sign a form afterwards? i can't imagine why anyone would consent to that.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:55 (eight years ago) link
people volunteer to go on Jeremy Kyle, i guess they just like seeing themselves being real and if other people can't handle that etc
― Jute Gazte (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 January 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link
Remember watching a Booze Nightmare prog about 10 years ago where one of the cops was (already too aggressively) asking a pissed bystander to move on, and the guy was being totally compliant and placatory but in the course of doing so casually used a swearword, I think it was "shit" in the sense of "and shit", and this savage was like DON'T SWEAR AT ME even tho any reasonable person could see that they hadn't sworn at him, had barely sworn to him. It was a scary scene but not in the way the programme makers seemed to think, just watching this vicious cunt with no idea how people interact leaping at the chance to create a situation where there was none
― microtone policing (wins), Sunday, 24 January 2016 11:55 (eight years ago) link
Acting like a drunken twat is pretty minor considering the things people will voluntarily do in exchange for being on TV. In any case in what is ostensibly a documentary I don't think you need to obtain explicit consent to broadcast that sort of footage, although you do leave yourself open to legal action after the fact. I've no idea what happens in practice.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 24 January 2016 12:00 (eight years ago) link
That's not right.
The production company gets a permit to film an area, then puts up signage to the effect of 'we are filming People Are Horrible today and by entering this area you consent to being filmed' - and then it works just like when they film a gig, and there's something on the ticket about entering venue = consent to filming.
― jedi slimane (suzy), Sunday, 24 January 2016 12:17 (eight years ago) link
it's not that minor is it? like if my boss sees me getting arrested for pissing down an alley and shouting at a police officer, couldn't i be fired? p serious reputational damage i'd have thought, even for incidents which have no effect on your record.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 24 January 2016 13:19 (eight years ago) link
they often blur faces on these shows so it's not as simple as that xp
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Sunday, 24 January 2016 13:36 (eight years ago) link