Who Gets to Organize a Protest?
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:15 (ten years ago)
http://wesleying.org/2015/11/18/students-of-color-publish-a-list-of-demands-on-isthiswhy-com/
reading this you'd think that wesleyan university was no better than alabama in the 1920s, but the only specific bad behavior referenced hear is that the university president failed to send a concerned email about the beirut attack before he did so concerning the paris attacks (not that wesleyan has a study-abroad program in paris but not beirut)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:28 (ten years ago)
also, the last demand, which insists on an anonymous way to report "microaggressions" by professors, is chilling. i'm sure there's no way that could be abused, no sir!
― wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:29 (ten years ago)
UNC students have demanded that the food in the cafeteria be free to all residents of North Carolina. Also the gym.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:36 (ten years ago)
Demand from UNC lol
― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:41 (ten years ago)
the unc list is really radical! i notice a lot of pet causes of some friends of mine who are in the research triangle area, it looks like ppl in their circles are really having a hand in the local activity
the food/gym demand above is actually
We DEMAND that University cafeterias, gym memberships, libraries, and class registration be free to all residents of North Carolina regardless of admittance into the institution.
which makes it seem more like a low-access-public-service thing
― j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:05 (ten years ago)
the school for my second teaching job finally got its concerned adminstrative message out today, we're gonna have listening sessions that address local protests (none on campus, but against police, in town) and world terrorism all in one!
the amount of coordinated nationwide motion at this point is really something, i wonder when the last time was that colleges got so anxious about managing on-campus political change
― j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:16 (ten years ago)
hard to imagine more extreme differences than those between UNC students and NC government
maybe moral mondays can get some traction
― mookieproof, Saturday, 21 November 2015 03:03 (ten years ago)
don't get what you mean by this, unpack it for me, because i'm authentically curious about the origin of this one
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 21 November 2015 05:10 (ten years ago)
i have no knowledge, it's just, if a school is publicly funded, there are many people who could benefit from its services who might not be able to get access to them via full matriculation as students? it's an outreach thing.
― j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 05:13 (ten years ago)
I get that, but it just seems like the mechanism by which the state provides food benefits to the hungry is already in place and isn't (and shouldn't be) everybody eats on campus.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 21 November 2015 05:15 (ten years ago)
but i guess, i dunno, the UNC demands at any rate don't even feel to me like things written with the intent that they be enacted, but more of a statement of principle -- "now that you're paying attention, take a second to ask yourself whether the radically different campus we're describing would have some advantages over the campus we have now"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 21 November 2015 05:16 (ten years ago)
http://chronicle.com/article/How-Missouri-s-Deans-Plotted/234283/?key=zJxi9MdiNfFUydjqU9KC4FHyHeWFsNRt0p28gV8XgCFsaFkzUEV6VklNeXlmNzREaHl2Ykt0MkZ1RWNMS2dOS2J0Z243SjVhRHE4
How Missouri’s Deans Plotted to Get Rid of Their Chancellor
such a tantalizing title! but paywalled
― j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 14:36 (ten years ago)
ganked a copy from google cache: http://pastebin.com/wr3Jjz0U
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Saturday, 21 November 2015 19:05 (ten years ago)
the way we operate in the Midwest
death blow
― j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 19:16 (ten years ago)
this is the midwest, we do what we want
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 21 November 2015 20:39 (ten years ago)
^ that is exactly backwards
― j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 20:42 (ten years ago)
http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/smith-college-protesters-bar-journalists-from-covering-sit-in-unless-they-support-the-cause/106834
Reporters planning to cover the sit-in arrived at the Massachusetts college’s student center on Wednesday only to find that the protesters intended to keep them out. Alyssa Mata-Flores, a Smith senior and a sit-in organizer, elaborated on the decision to The Republican: “We are asking that any journalists or press that cover our story participate and articulate their solidarity with black students and students of color. By taking a neutral stance, journalists and media are being complacent in our fight.”
― j., Saturday, 21 November 2015 21:47 (ten years ago)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/university-yoga-class-suspended-over-cultural-appropriation-dispute-a6744426.html
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 November 2015 16:38 (ten years ago)
This one is interesting. Hopefully a solution that is agreeable (a form of induction that would talk about where the practice comes from and how it has evolved in the last 50 years in the West) can be found and ultimately the class can return - it was both free and for all so v much in the spirit of the best yoga practice I see.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 November 2015 16:45 (ten years ago)
ok that's just fucking stupid
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 23 November 2015 16:53 (ten years ago)
appropriate, but for gods sake be mindful about it.
― ryan, Monday, 23 November 2015 16:54 (ten years ago)
never thought id say this but these kids need a healthy dose of postmodernism
― ryan, Monday, 23 November 2015 16:56 (ten years ago)
or just irony, more fundamentally
― ryan, Monday, 23 November 2015 16:58 (ten years ago)
those motherfuckers better not be serving any bagels at their meetings
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:00 (ten years ago)
amazing
― k3vin k., Monday, 23 November 2015 17:00 (ten years ago)
We experienced genocide, and now they are appropriating our breakfast foods
But I mean seriously, without dismissing the entire concept of harmful cultural appropriation out of hand, this is just such a dumb, bad, ahistorical example, like I don't think these people have any idea about, among other things, pre- or post-colonial India, nor the history of yoga either in India or in the West.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:05 (ten years ago)
"without dismissing the entire concept of harmful cultural appropriation out of hand, "
Rong
― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:08 (ten years ago)
evidently nobody was going to the classes so the announcement/spin is just wrong? but anyway yeah, the history of yoga in the west is one of people saying "I want to take yoga to the west" and people in the west being receptive. there's much to say about who exactly was receptive and why and why during that particular window of time, etc., but to just invoke "cultural appropriation" in this context is completely ahistorical (and ignores many claims in source texts about how various yogas are for the good of the whole world and should be adopted by all, etc)
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:17 (ten years ago)
The history of yoga is quite obscure as this article talks about. In the West people like Iyengar travelled quite a lot in the West to teach. Iyengar and the like probably don't approve of everything under the name of yoga but it was through them that the genie got out of the bag and it isn't going back. And I bet they would prefer it to be that way.
otoh it would be nice to have an induction as a gateway to some of the wider context in that environment. I wouldn't ban it first. xp
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 November 2015 17:19 (ten years ago)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi
This book is largely about the charge to bring yoga from the east to the west.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:21 (ten years ago)
damn how many of these stories start w someone writing an email?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:23 (ten years ago)
but it was through them that the genie got out of the bag and it isn't going back
eh, Crowley was there first iirc although he was not quite the popularizer what with his nutjob satanist rep and everything
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 17:25 (ten years ago)
These people are going to be pretty busy when they find out about restaurants
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:25 (ten years ago)
everyone knows when those genies get out of their bag it's damn near impossible to re-bag them
― k3vin k., Monday, 23 November 2015 17:28 (ten years ago)
oh great, now we've brought genies into it -- the appropriation trail of tears continues
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:31 (ten years ago)
jinni is the correct plural GET IT RIGHT
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 17:32 (ten years ago)
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes),
Heh
― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:34 (ten years ago)
haha didn't know about Crowley but my point stands as he would not be in no way a popularizer.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 November 2015 17:34 (ten years ago)
maybe we can get some gun control passed
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 23 November 2015 17:43 (ten years ago)
yup.
also came across this just now: https://twitter.com/Will_Antonin/status/668872659359440896
and the link within..
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:03 (ten years ago)
honestly i wonder how much of this has to do with the frustration young political activists must feel. to the nascent political activist, the sheer amount of injustice can be overwhelming, and changing things of actual importance seem impossible -- either because doing so requires a level of organization or coordination they're not ready for, or because the opposition (moneyed interests) are too formidable, or because doing so would take too much time, or may even lead to failure or stalemate. so instead, they content themselves with fighting and winning these meaningless battles
― k3vin k., Monday, 23 November 2015 20:29 (ten years ago)
"cultural issues of implication..."
did one of my undergrads write this?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:30 (ten years ago)
xp imagine this has something to do w/ bds as well -- easy, ultimately toothless victories
― Mordy, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:32 (ten years ago)
why don't they just go with "mindless stretching"
xxp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:35 (ten years ago)
i mean these kids are probably putting this shit on their CV
― k3vin k., Monday, 23 November 2015 20:36 (ten years ago)
maybe
but to look at the kids that occupied the police station vestibule here the other week…
they're in it. this isn't applied oppression studies for them.
so i don't see why it can't be for others, even if they protest in connection with a university.
― j., Monday, 23 November 2015 20:39 (ten years ago)
occupying a police station vestibule is awesome, as is basically everything going on at missouri and most of the other campus protests going on atm. i'm RME at the yoga kids
i guess it's unfair to expect undergrads to have that sort of discriminatory ability at their age and stage of learning/understanding. on one hand, it's great that they are applying what are learning from twitter in class to the wider world. on the other hand, it'd be nice if they were able to realize that there are...varying degrees of harm with these sorts of things, and that not all perceived 'cultural appropriations' require this sort of remedial action
― k3vin k., Monday, 23 November 2015 20:49 (ten years ago)
the very idea of 'cultural appropriation' in this sense is pretty nagl and the yoga examples just makes that a bit more obvious
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:51 (ten years ago)