The Locking of the Avril Thread

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Would you miss him if he were gone, Calum?

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

And I don't necessarily mean with your heart. Would your adrenal glands miss him? Would life be a bit flat?

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You're a musician, though, Momus. You're used to hearing people say unpleasant and personal things, and taking it in your stride. And good on you.

But some people on this board aren't. I don't think that "the antics of the Scotsman in question are completely harmless", because they have in the past, made the board into a place where I didn't want to be, and I really don't think I'm the most thinned-skinned type here, nor that I'm alone in this. Calum has been behaving himself lately, but to view trolling as an act that doesn't lastingly and negatively alter the medium itself is kinda ludicrous.

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I was under the impression, Nick, that ignoring Calum and not engaging with him was the correct procedure here?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/dchick/hahaa.jpg

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Goddamn it, I tried.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned is over-invested in this case. If he were a judge he would recuse himself, I think.

If he were a judge I do think that would be wise of him.

However I do think you've (perhaps inadvertently) gotten his goat by appearing not to empathize with his feelings (whether or not you agree with his position).

(I do think this is your normal posting/debating style, though, and I'll admit to being frustrated with it myself at times, but I wouldn't suggest that you don't have a right to continue in your preferred manner. There are also plenty of folks here who I find far more frustrating than I do you.)

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

(Perhaps this whole debate will boil down to ancient hoary repulsive "should we censor those who'd censor us" debestnut, but I kinda hope not. More avril plz).

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

No. Not at all Momus. He plays no part in my life, as I so obviously do in his.

― C-Man (C-Man), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Dead Milkmen!!

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

goddamn it wrong thread

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Listen to me "Ned" (LOL), whilst I would advise you cut your hair and have a bath or something instead of posting here 24/7, I do wish to stress I have no problem with my name here. I only have a problem because the people posting it invariably go under pseudonyms and I think that if we're all going to implement a "full name only" programme then that is fine (MH video forum does this and I'm all for it), but seeing as we're not I think its bullshit. Also, I don't take kindly to stalkers.
Lastly, and again I stress this ye of the Miles Hunt features, but I did offer to meet you where you could have A) Punched me in the face B) Given me shit to my face C) Had a drink with me D) Actually taken advantage of meeting some new people, who would - in turn - maybe have liked you and invited you out to some cool nights in LA instead of you sitting here all day every day. But you did not. So who is the real chickenshit? Certainly not me who meet you any fucking day pal.

-- Nudie Nigel (nige...), June 10th, 2004.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This site is a particularly vitriolic anti-Avril page I stumbled across googling for pics:

http://groups.msn.com/antiavrillavigneclub/idontlikeher.msnw?Page=1

There's even mock ups with a bloody Avril hanging from a noose! (As well as the ass-cleave pic I tried to post before). Vicious.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and the "folks ... I find more frustrating than [Momus]" comment was not intended to be a veiled reference to C-Man. Honest.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

At last my ride is on it's way, and I can leave work and fly to New York for the weekend...

This thread has been entertaining me all day, and I feel I'd be out of line if I didn't say thanks before I left it to likely fade away over the weekend.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum, is there someone in your life, in your past, that Ned reminds you of? Are you projecting stuff onto him from some other part of your life?

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Doubtless it will, Martin. (Have a good trip!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned that post was in response to your usual hi-jacking of my posts and discussing of me and smarmy remarks.

But, I mean - hey, keep this thread rocking. It is very entertaining. It's near 600 posts on moi and I think that says it all really. I'm the backbone of this damn forum.

― C-Man (C-Man), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

See?

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not 600 posts on you, baby, it's a couple hundred on you then the rest on Gavin McInness, who makes money doing the same basic thing.

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

defining anyone's antics on ILX as "harmless" strikes me as rather confusing. Well, of course they are, because it's a message board, and as such no one can inflict bodily harm or destroy property on it; I mean, sure, you could be hax0r into the site or something, but that's as far as it goes, really.

xpost Momus did you just call "Vice" little asymmetrical blighters? Rock on dude!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Asymmetrical freedom fighters, tiny tot trolls, hungry swarm baiters, call us what you will, but we are intent on storming the binary Bastille and making tin pot kings dance the bastinado!

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, if we're talking *verbal harm*, how would repeated personal attacks not count?

xpost Momus I like "tiny tot trolls" best, you couldn't half get some great mechandising oportunities out of that

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i just get why people get so annoyed or heated with momus.

i more than enjoy watching momus and darnielle spar. really's it's the best part of ILx

― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

'Do you have a problem with dirty words? I want to help you with that. There are none.' (Lenny Bruce, on trial for obscenity)

Night Waves has a bit of a bumper show featuring with James Baldwin, Lenny Bruce and the Marquis de Sade. Point yer RealPlayer here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/speech/ram/nightwaves_thu.ram

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

whoever said anything about dirty words, Momus?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://ox.eicat.ca/~scarruthers/ilx/avril-thread.jpg

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Rape of the Sabines!

Radio 3: I'm just telling you it's good stuff. Go about 9 mins in and they're talking about 'fear of the word' in America.

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ahhh, proof that photoshopping can redeem just about anything ever, really.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

'Fear of De Sade' at 15 minutes. 'The pleasure of killing a woman soon passes. Let us do better...'

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"does anyone still read the Marquis De Sade", asks the cozy realplayered voice. I dunno, but there was a porn movie "inspired" by him on TV the other day.

this *is* great stuff tho Momus, thanks (I am also suffering of the Too Much Free Time syndrome - waiting fer a friend from Australia to log on. She'll only be able to in an hour and a half, which is 3:30 here. Oy.)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I work with this bitch named J.K., and I don't necessarily mean bitch in the demeaning, misogynistic way in which it's normally applied by a male to a female - though that, in this case, would be apropos - but in the sense that she's a total fucking mean-spirited loony-face. Last week at work (where I'm a goddamn teacher, of all things) one of J.K.'s friends ripped into me with crazy-virulence, totally lacking in proportionality to my perceived offense. And J.K. saw this and perceived that I was in a vulnerable position so she started ripping into me about something unrelated, ancient, and totally demeaning with even greater mean-spiritedness. I didn't respond because - hey, not gonna argue with another teacher in the hall of an elementary school - and J. K.'s been shitting on me ever since. All parties involved [namely yours truly, J.K.'s friend, J.K., bystanders] have recognized that I'm totally in the fucking right, but that since I'm not responding it's worthwhile to troll around me for the sake of being evil.

There's a definite analogy in this - which I'm not gonna waste my time spelling out - because Ned and co. already know they're in the right, and that if they want to moderate a really retarded-ass discussion it's clearly their perogative. And I'm speaking as one of the 'new ILXors' (albeit I've been new and frequently-posting since February) who posted on the stupid Avril board that incited this whole thing. And I posted a dumbass photo of an encephaletic baby in response to the big-head Calum assaults, which I'm currently regretting because it's giving fuel to the personal-attacks fire. It was intended it in a silly and un-harmful way and (while I agree with Momus in principle) I'm really amazed at the strange Vice-Mag de/off-ensiveness motif which has spawned from it. To ref. Jon Willims, it's got 50,000 readers. And I'm willing to bet that at least half of those are folks who want it around (a) either to offend their parents (b) as window decoration (c) in the same way I like to listen to Laura Ingram. Don't be a bunch of. J.K.s about this.

― x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 19 June 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

about 300-400 x-posts:
Am I the only one who thinks Avril without make-up=Thurston Moore?

all right then, carry on.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd take it in the butt from Thurston Moore well before I'd put it in the butt of Avril Levigne, FWIW.

― x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't we all? I thought willingness to take it in the butt from Thurston Moore was an ILx prerequisite.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

xxx-post Ah 'The Locking of The Avril Thread' (1732); one of Poussin's best.
His extraordinry anticipation of the use of Raggets and Racoons in
later art history is praisewothy in itself. And of course, up until then Avril had not been considered a fit subject for painting by the academies, but Poussin broke that rule much as John D breaks Momus' face in the foreground. Also Poussin felt it necessary to enlarge Calum's willy, but this tiny detail naturally gets lost amid the melee.

― de, Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, now that is a post, my friend. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

huh, huh, tiny detail.

― x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

There are no initiation ceremonies here, no rites of passage.

How wrong this is!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

There are no initiation ceremonies here, no rites of passage.

hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it interesting that in that little Momus vs. Ned moment upthread, Momus defers to the idea that having power = having authority, and that authority then carries the burden of restraint and John's "oughtn't" - but the rules are different for the dissidents (like him) of course.

Momus "I've never held any position of responsibility in my life."

You THINK so?

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm the backbone of this damn forum.

-- C-Man

Hmmmmm, let me see...then

IF
Calum = Vice Magazine
THEN
Momus = Aja

it's becoming so clear now.

― Skottie, Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

the rules are different for the dissidents (like him) of course

I did try to note that -- to little effect.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

if so Momus totally knows my drinking habits ... cuz that's when I'd respond to Aja.

― x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It just seems that he's saying that power only carries responsibility if it's 'officially bestowed' or something. Nice get out of jail free card that.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

He knows EVERYTHING, x J. That's what makes him so damn interesting.

― Skottie, Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread so should have been locked by a moderator.

― Skottie, Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(ditto)

― x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

and now is the time on ilx when we stab sporks in our eyes

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The moderators have stabbed sporks in their eyes.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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