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well, it goes something like this... I'm trying to recall from memory, but the recipe is not terribly exact anyway, its pretty forgiving.

10 potatoes, peeled if you wish, grated or food processed, then drained of moisture with a strainer
1-2 onions, (or to taste) grated/food processed
3-4 eggs, probably the more eggs, the richer it is
1/2 cup matzo meal(/flour if not pascal)
1/4 cup oil
a good amount of salt
black pepper to taste

mix all this together in a giant bowl, put it in a greased pan so that the stuff is about 2 inches high, bake at 350ºF for 1.5-2 hours till nice golden brown on top. I hate when cooked potatoes have any hardness left to them, so I'm going for closer to 2 hours.

pretty easy except for the mass grating of potatoes.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

sposedly vodka is made from potato, so thats ok.

i forget what gin is made from. Sake should be ok if your sephardic.

mmm...sake...

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

So potato kugel=kinda like latkes (sp?), only baked?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

mmm kosher saki.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

You are all making me hungry. (I am, however, having Peruvian food tonight.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, "peru" rhymes with "jew"--almost the same.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Just make sure it's really potato vodka and not cheaper wheat vodka.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

yes yes! you could take the same goop, put it on a frying pan and have latkes. the same exact mixture.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

My great-grandparents distilled potato vodka in their backyard in some grim corner of pre-pogrom Belarus.

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

In some grim corner of pre-pogrom Lithuania my great-grandparents owned a cow, which made them the envy of the shtetl I'm told.

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I would like to go to a seder. I've always felt I was born into the wrong religion (ultra-WASPY episcopalian) and that my true self is a Jew. Kind of like some people are born biologically male but know deep down they are actually a chick.

Me too. I'm devoid of any spirituality and was born as such but if there's any religion I should've been born into it should've been Judaism as it's the only one I feel some affinity for.

― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

N.B.: very few (if any?) Jewish ILXors are religious

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

O.K., so, honest question here--is one still popularly identified as Jewish even if one is completely secular (or for that matter an active member of some non-Jewish faith) or does the very term imply some sort of committment (however tenuous) to the Jewish faith?

Like, grown up me is an atheist so I don't think of myself as episcopalian, even though I was raised in that faith and that is the faith of my parents, etc. . . the same sort of thing does or does not apply to Judaism? Anyone?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I'm just trying to figure out the "not religious" thing one makes one a non-religious Jew or not a Jew at all.

Am I making any sense?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, I appear to have missed some words on that last post. So to recap: is a non-religious person of Jewish heritage a "not-religious Jew" or not a Jew at all?

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

answers on this thread:

What makes a good babka? and other questions about traditional Jewish desserts

is one still popularly identified as Jewish even if one is completely secular

short answer: yes, and in fact this was the reason behind my response to Ian's comment

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, now I really want some babka. Never had it.

― quincie, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

N.B.: very few (if any?) Jewish ILXors are religious
I do know the distinction between descent and religion.

― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

shit! forgot a key ingredient in the kugel! you need to a tiny bit - 1/2 teaspoon of baking powder to make the stuff be fluffy. not too much, but a wee bit.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 22 April 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Does any of it make sense?

-- beanz (beanzil...), April 22nd, 2005.

No. And orthodox Judaism makes even less sense. Case in point, *they* accosted my girlfriend and gave her a box of "Shmurah Matzah", on which was printed this explanation:

"For the Seder one should try to have Shmuroh Matzo's [sic]. If it is difficult to obtain all three Shmuroh Matzo's, an effort should be made that at least the first 'kazayis' eaten should be Shmuroh. To fulfill the mitzvah of eating ('kazayis') Matzoh, one should try to eat an entire piece of Matzoh equivalent in size to 4x5 inches in no more than 4 minutes. If more than 6 minutes pass from the beginning till the finish, the mitzvah of eating 'kazayis' Matzoh has not been fulfilled..."

???

― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 23 April 2005 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to be kind of religious. i went to a shabbas dinner last night and remember all the prayers and songs and stuff, to my surprise.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I brought some Kosher beer ("He'Brew")to a religious friend's parents' seder last year, forgetting -- of course -- the old no-yeast-at-Pesach no problem. My friend's mother literally screamed and ran out of the house with the six-pack when I turned up. Not a good start. We got invited back this year, though.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Matza blows, but matza brei rules the world with delicate, tasty fists.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Seda' Club

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Saturday, 23 April 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking Seder with the wife you're about to leave/be left by (god knows) with her parents (who know) and everyone else (who don't know, hence your presence) just gets more fun when it's your turn to read the bit from the Haggadah in your age-3-level Hebrew & half the crowd are cooing at the grown man's cute inabilities & the other half wonder why you didn't fuck off on a plane already & why you even came.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 24 April 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, that sounds awful. But if they're so petty that they can't act like normal human beings for one night and have to resort to amusing themselves at your Hebrew-reading abilities, then to hell with them.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 24 April 2005 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not the point.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 24 April 2005 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This is my first vegetarian passover, so the food isn't quite on point this year. I also didn't think I could get drunk during a seder, but hey, I did it, and now I have a headache and am trying o listen to Musik by Plastikman for the first time while fending off this headache/tiredness. Another seder tommorow, this is a bigger one though. I don't think hangovers and shul mix though.

― Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Sunday, 24 April 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Just had an amazing (vegetarian) Passover with my wife & parents & six friends, one of whom flew in from San Francisco specifically for it and another of whom is visiting from NYC this week. I wrote/edited the haggadah a couple of years ago and revised it last week. Everybody cooked stuff. Really one of the best times I've had in ages.

― Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 24 April 2005 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You wrote your own Haggadah? Wow!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

We did our annual hybrid: secular reform Jew/lapsed Catholic pseudo-Seder w/edited & abridged Haggadah, lamb instead of brisket, latkes and haroset and most of trimmings. I've really come to enjoy this, it's better by far than Holy Week & Easter dinner at my grandparents.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, now I'm hungry (given both M. and Douglas's posts.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

the short form:

potato kugel = awesome
noodle kugel = gross
charoset = fine, but i'd never eat it if i didn't have to
horseradish = blecch
hard-boiled egg in salt water = i love hard-boiled eggs! the salt makes 'em that much tastier.
manischewitz wine = my guilty pleasure. i always feel embarrassed telling wine geeks that i like the stuff. it's like the jewish night train.
matzoh = fine. egg matzoh is very good. chocolate-covered matzoh is manna from heaven. nothing especially dud about matzoh; it's the same thing as those posh swedish flatbread crackers.
latkes = OH BABY. with apple sauce please, and hold the sour cream.

― my friend flicka (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not doing passover this year, which i'm glad about -- the religious part bores the shit out of me.

― my friend flicka (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i've always wanted to do the diy haggadah thing.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i had some pretty off the hook potato kugel last night. the seder was total chaos though

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

it's the same thing as those posh swedish flatbread crackers.

but as long as we're talking crispy flatbreads gimme papadam any day.

― my friend flicka (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 April 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

my major discovery of 2005: SAVTA'S PESACH GRANOLA! seriously, the best granola i've ever tried. i like the kind with the dried cranberries. i'm glad they only make this once a year, cuz it's way too addictive.

http://savtas.com/images/site/common/en/image/imagewrap.img?picture.image.url=http://savtas.com/members/402402/uploaded/SPG_product.jpg&picture.width.max=550

― my friend flicka (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 April 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

mff, what is you position on macaroons?

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 24 April 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I make a potato kugel with cheese, sometimes.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 24 April 2005 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

macaroons are nice.

― my friend flicka (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 April 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

funnily enough, i have never been to a seder in my life (i am not jewish, but my two best friends and most of my good acquaintances growing up were - as a result i think i have more affinity for judaism than my confirmed religion).

― joseph (joseph), Sunday, 24 April 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

seder masochism

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 24 April 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

...then there was the time that my friend Steve Mandel took me along to his family's Passover dinner before we went to the legendary Mr. Bungle show I've talked about before, and had me convinced I had to wear a uniform at the dinner. Ah poor me, the ignorant goy.

Dinner itself was great but I quickly got a sense of how informal it would be in relative terms in that not only was every line of the reading interrupted by a snarky comment from everyone else in the family other than the dad, who seemed somehow world-weary and pleased at the same time (I can still hear his half-sighed "Baruch Adonai"), but Steve's younger brother attended wearing a Red Hot Chili Peppers shirt. In itself perhaps merely quizzical to some eyes, but the fact that it portrayed a naked illustration of Madonna raised my eyebrows a touch.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 April 2005 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

We got some chocolate macaroons from Whole Foods that were da bomb!

**manischewitz wine = it's like the jewish night train.**

Jayzus Xist I can't stop laughing at this.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 25 April 2005 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

am i the only one who likes noodle kugel? the deli-made variety, anyway - i had my friend's aunt's homemade version once and it was gross.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 25 April 2005 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i think there's kugel that you are supposed to enjoy and then there is kugel that is supposed to remind you of suffering.

― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 25 April 2005 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I love noodle kugel! I probably love potato kugel too, but I've not tried that yet. I am now DYING to get my hands on that granola and on some egg and choccy matzoh. Trip to KosherMart now in order.

Also AaronK WTF I thought that baking powder shit was no good for Passover!

― quincie, Monday, 25 April 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

am i the only one who likes noodle kugel?

every few years i try a little just to make sure i don't like it, and i don't like it! sweet noodles = one of those bridges i don't think i'll ever get across.

― my friend flicka (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 25 April 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not doing passover this year, which i'm glad about -- the religious part bores the shit out of me.

passover is the one religious holiday i think is pretty neat, all told

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 25 April 2005 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

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