Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

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The magnitude of the anamolies in August-September-October . . .

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:31 (ten years ago)

*anomalies

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:31 (ten years ago)

Personally, I've been in a state of abject terror since May.

Humean froth (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:35 (ten years ago)

tear gas in Paris

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/french-police-fire-teargas-disperse-climate-protest-151129132752492.html

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 November 2015 13:19 (ten years ago)

all that outsourced unrest finally knocking at the gates of the west

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 November 2015 15:37 (ten years ago)

alberta carbon tax is very sweet and encouraging

flopson, Monday, 30 November 2015 15:41 (ten years ago)

are there any other oil-rich places with conservative governments who have fallen out of power since oil prices declined? would be extra encouraging if the alberta sequence happened in other places, too

flopson, Monday, 30 November 2015 16:13 (ten years ago)

a short summary of what is and isn't at stake at the paris talks: http://www.vox.com/2015/11/30/9818582/paris-cop21-climate-talks

and for those who find this kind of stuff dry, a pretty good summary of the past 25 years of international (in)action in comic form: http://www.nature.com/news/the-fragile-framework-1.18861

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 November 2015 22:26 (ten years ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/us/politics/as-obama-pushes-climate-deal-republicans-move-to-block-emissions-rules.html

in the inevitable authoritarian children of men-style society we will live in after the effects of climate change are more fully felt, these guys will probably all be put up against a wall and shot

in the meantime, despair.

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:08 (ten years ago)

Speaking of which, I recommend Star's Reach: A Novel Of The Deindustrial Future by John Michael Greer (of the Archdruid Report). The narrative, set 400 years into a post AGW, post-Limits to Growth collapse, jumps needlessly about in time (due to its origins as a blog serialized novel), but touches on ideas from Heaven's Gate-like cults to isostatic rebound, and ties it all into the Fermi paradox.

Transgressors against Mam Gaia (down to glassblowers tapping natural gas wells) are buried in Her belly, alive. Alas, our generation is beyond reach.

Humean froth (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:31 (ten years ago)

Goals Of The Paris Climate Talks (Onion infographic)

Over 150 world leaders are meeting in Paris this week to address the global effects of climate change in the hopes that a unified international effort can avert grave future consequences for the planet. Here are the major goals of the Paris climate talks:

*Pledge to create one new ecosystem for every ecosystem destroyed by climate change
*Provide aid to help developing island nations transition into fully underwater economies
*Make shortlist of species actually worth saving at this point
*Give every world leader nice little non-binding agreement to take back to country as small keepsake
*Destroy the livelihood of 47-year-old Indiana coal miner and father of four Kevin O’Riley
*Finalize battle lines for when water wars begin
*Conceive of, design, and develop reliable, affordable, carbon-neutral source of clean energy capable of powering entire world before conference concludes next Friday
*Provide political cover for next round of fossil fuel subsidies
*Settle on scapegoat nation to pin blame on in the event of a worst-case scenario
*Find most rhetorically effective way to push problem onto next generation
*Above all to have fun, meet new people, and forge friendships that will last a lifetime

Humean froth (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 15:35 (ten years ago)

so uhhhh anybody been paying attention to the paris talks

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 10 December 2015 15:59 (ten years ago)

yep. but they're still ongoing and farily secretive, so

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 16:32 (ten years ago)

About all there is to pay attention to are the efforts of activists to budge governments toward something approaching a sufficient response. This is both heartening and disheartening to watch, because however brave their efforts, the response will be nearly undetectable.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:02 (ten years ago)

also (obvious point but since it hasn't been made) main contours of the international agreement are already in place, with a reliance on voluntary reduction commitments from each country. i believe that every single UN country has submitted a plan. if you had up all the voluntary reduction agreements, though, they don't come close to what's needed to have a good chance of avoiding 2C of warming. so an important part of the Paris talks is coming to agreement on mechanisms to "ratchet" down the emissions over time by revising the commitments so that they're reasonably suitable to achieve the goal. so there's not a lot of news coming from the actual conference because a) they're having a secret negotiation party in there, and b) the actual progress being made isn't likely to be groundbreaking or especially headline-worthy according to the standards of most media outlets.

the efforts of the activists may be especially futile for this meeting, even compared to other ones, because the template - voluntary reduction agreements - is already established. the jury is out on whether a voluntary bottom-up scheme is more workable than a mandatory centralized scheme, but it undoubtedly makes things more difficult for protesters because they need to individually pressure each country in the entire world to improve their voluntary agreement (obviously they'd want to focus in on the biggest players but still)

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:33 (ten years ago)

sorry for stupidity+typos. the latter can be blamed on iphone at least

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:34 (ten years ago)

The commitments, if kept, commit us to the 3-4°C path (5-7°C on land, without considering some positive feedbacks).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmL4t8TclGU

Humean froth (Sanpaku), Thursday, 10 December 2015 19:04 (ten years ago)

yeah, and at least before the meetings started, it seemed like the bounds of debate were between updating the commitments every 10 years (with more industrialized countries in support) or every 5 years (with more countries anticipated to be completed fucked by climate change in support).

either one of those targets seems way too far away to me. it's difficult not to be demoralized, even in the midst of unprecedented attempts of global cooperation

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 19:08 (ten years ago)

it's understandable that few countries would want to deal with a system that sets new goals on a yearly or biannual basis and would require a rewrite of an emission reduction plan from each country in response. but it's tough to balance that with climate science (where new findings tend to offer MORE support for immediate action rather than less) and the consensus among modelers that the longer we delay in reaching peak emissions and beginning the decline, the harder it will be to reach the goal. a lot of the models specify a specific year or set of years in which we should begin the decline if we want to have a decent chance. time is of the fucking essence here, and there are plenty of people who think it's too late, so to propose meeting again in TEN YEARS to assess progress on the voluntary emissions reduction targets is just bonkers

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 19:15 (ten years ago)

Somewhat Aus-centric summary of current state of play, from behind the paywall at Crikey

Sleepless nights and saving the world in Paris

ERWIN JACKSON
Deputy chief executive of The Climate Institute

Another draft of the final COP21 climate agreement is out. There were a lot of bleary eyes at the conference centre today after negotiators worked through the night. Parties first met as a cohort to give “indaba” responses to the draft released yesterday, and then split up to smaller groups to hash out the areas that will need more work to find consensus.

“Indaba” refers to a process where each member at the table gets to speak and be heard. The inclusive process has a Zulu name that first appeared in the 2011 Durban meeting. That meeting provided the key breakthrough that recognised that all countries, including China and India, would offer broad climate action commitments. The Kyoto model, where only developed countries make emission reduction commitments, formed the basis pf a major argument used by some against the UN process and climate action more generally.

Among the usual lamentations about the exhausting negotiation process, there were also murmurs of agreement that yesterday’s text was an improvement. But not everyone saw their priorities in there yet.

As Thursday has now drawn to a close with a text that is mostly clear of square brackets (which highlight disagreements or alternative options). It suggests broad agreement on a range of issues but the following remain clearly contested:

how to build a common system of transparency for country actions;
how to address unmanageable climate change impacts in vulnerable nations; and
how to financially support poor nations participate in climate change solutions.
This is a strong, carefully balanced text. It includes the formal review and updating of targets every five years starting, in 2019. This would be done against the reference to limiting global warming below 1.5-2oC by the end of the century and achieving net zero emissions or ‘emissions neutrality (the science on this suggests all greenhouse gases would need to be at net zero by 2050 to have a chance at 1.5°C and between 2060 and 2070 for 2°C. CO2 emissions from energy and industry, which last longer in the atmosphere, would need to be at zero earlier than other gases). Finance contributions would be scaled up to the poorest and this would be tracked through time.

There are a number of challenges in here for Australia, which will need to recognise that its pollution reduction targets are more aligned to 3 to 4 degree warming and would leave us with the petro state of Saudi Arabia as the highest per capital polluters in 2030.

However, this text is not the final agreement. With a desire to present a penultimate version in the morning and make history by closing the meeting on time, with a final agreement Friday evening Paris time, the French president of the COP has called for “solutions indabas”.

The journey to where we are now in Paris has been a long and difficult one; ministers could still tumble at the final hurdle.

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Friday, 11 December 2015 02:49 (ten years ago)

In what would be a victory for small island nations, the draft includes a section highlighting the losses they expect to incur from climate-related disasters that it's too late to adapt to. However, a footnote specifies that it "does not involve or provide any basis for any liability or compensation" — a key U.S. demand because it would let the Obama administration sign on to the deal without going through the Republican-led Senate.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 December 2015 17:00 (ten years ago)

hey so did everyone just agree to optimistically write & highlight & underline ~#1.5C!~ on the top of a report that otherwise makes no movement toward reaching that kind of cut?

CAROL (schlump), Saturday, 12 December 2015 18:47 (ten years ago)

I think so

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Saturday, 12 December 2015 22:32 (ten years ago)

Indonesian forest still burning btw.

Wes Brodicus, Sunday, 13 December 2015 02:01 (ten years ago)

They've subsided somewhat. Mostly its the usual suspects:
http://macc.copernicus-atmosphere.eu/d/getchart/macc/gac/nrt/nrt_fields_ghg!Carbon%20dioxide!Total%20column!36!Global!macc!od!enfo!nrt_fields_ghg!2015102600!!chart.gif

Humean froth (Sanpaku), Sunday, 13 December 2015 02:06 (ten years ago)

this is basically a non-binding bullshit "pledge", right?

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 December 2015 09:38 (ten years ago)

paris i mean...

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 December 2015 09:38 (ten years ago)

like the guardian calls it "legally binding" but in the same article says "And while there will be no legal obligation for countries to cut emissions, the agreement includes a five-yearly global stocktake and a review mechanism to assess each country’s contributions."

So basically it's just a formal acknowledgment of the problem and an agreement as to what would, in theory, be the solution.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 December 2015 09:52 (ten years ago)

David Cameron also welcomed the deal, praising those involved for showing what ambition and perseverance can do: “We’ve secured our planet for many, many generations to come – and there is nothing more important than that.”

Something amazing about this quote. Like simultaneously aggrandising a political deal and cheapening the most vital issue of our time down to "we've secured our planet" - as if the alternative was just mildly unpalatable.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 December 2015 09:56 (ten years ago)

Looks like the No. 10 standard template for conclusion of negotiations quote, e.g This outcome of this pensions negotiation with the public sector delivers both value and mostimportantly stability for a generation, enabling hardworking families people to plan their future with confidence, and contributes to the long-term economic future of our country....Only to be revised less than 5 years later of course.

quixotic yet visceral (Bob Six), Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:12 (ten years ago)

Well done, Sky News.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xplesDv5hl0

50 Shades of Santa (Sanpaku), Monday, 14 December 2015 18:22 (ten years ago)

Oh, its a whole series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GjrS8QbHmY&list=PLG8IrydigQfepV0ajPnDIEKDP5ZxL8FgH

50 Shades of Santa (Sanpaku), Monday, 14 December 2015 18:25 (ten years ago)

Mostly defensible, but the bit about methane fireballs raining down from the sky is deep into Guy McPherson territory.

50 Shades of Santa (Sanpaku), Monday, 14 December 2015 19:31 (ten years ago)

just a little teehee, sorry:

Members of the public in Woodland, North Carolina, expressed their fear and mistrust at the proposal to allow Strata Solar Company to build a solar farm off Highway 258.

During the Woodland Town Council meeting, one local man, Bobby Mann, said solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun and businesses would not go to Woodland, the Roanoke-Chowan News Herald reported.

Jane Mann, a retired science teacher, said she was concerned the panels would prevent plants in the area from photosynthesizing, stopping them from growing.

Ms Mann said she had seen areas near solar panels where plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the area, saying no one could tell her solar panels didn't cause cancer.

A spokesperson for Strata told the meeting: "There are no negative impacts. A solar farm is a wonderful use for a property like this."

They added: "The panels don't draw additional sunlight."

The council voted three to one against rezoning the land and later voted for a moratorium on future solar farms.

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 20:51 (ten years ago)

oh god I know, I saw that

Bobby Mann said he watched communities dry up when I-95 came along and warned that would happen to Woodland because of the solar farms.

“You’re killing your town,” he said. “All the young people are going to move out.”

He said the solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun and businesses would not come to Woodland.

sleeve, Monday, 14 December 2015 20:52 (ten years ago)

Science education in America, ladies and gentlement!

Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 December 2015 20:56 (ten years ago)

What happens if the solar panels act like magnets and actually suck the sun down to the earth? Then only the part of the planet where the sun lands will get sunlight and the rest of us will be cold.

Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 December 2015 20:59 (ten years ago)

oh, i can answer that one. although the sun appears to be small as we view it from earth, it's actually very, VERY large. luckily, it's so large that when the solar panel/magnets pull it toward earth, it's very likely that it will bounce off of the moon when it approaches earth and bounce back to its original position rotating around the earth

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 21:11 (ten years ago)

glad we cleared that up

Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 21:12 (ten years ago)

/conservapedia

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 21:13 (ten years ago)

I'd just like to congratulate all who pushed the Woodland, NC story from the Roanoke Chowan News Herald to international papers of record since 8 Dec. While it would be nice to believe Bobby Mann's comment harmed investment in Woodland more than he can imagine, Perdue Agribusiness, the poultry processor and major employer in town, probably doesn't give a damn.

On the other hand, I imagine this zoning hearing topping all Google results for the town for the forseeable future will deter other local governments from thinking zoning against solar has no repercussions.

50 Shades of Santa (Sanpaku), Monday, 14 December 2015 21:51 (ten years ago)

chait likes

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/climate-deal-is-obamas-biggest-accomplishment.html#

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 00:23 (ten years ago)

https://twitter.com/NRO/status/676516015078039556

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWN3D6nWUAUmQWW.png

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 16:24 (ten years ago)

i think someone needs to shake their thermometer

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 16:48 (ten years ago)

Perfectly accurate graph showing an approximately 2-degree increase in global temperature.

:wq (Leee), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 17:25 (ten years ago)

if you zoom out enough, nothing actually exists!

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 17:27 (ten years ago)

you know, my eyes can't zoom like that

see the longview = no problem

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 17:29 (ten years ago)

If the earth is supposedly round, why is the horizon flat? Answer that, smart guy!

Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 17:32 (ten years ago)

Early this year my allergy got 20 times worse. As the year went on I suspected it might be climate change but I just searched today and there are loads of articles about it. Not only symptoms getting worse but also more people developing them. One of the most worrying things was hearing about people who could previously cope with the help of medicine are now completely miserable no matter what they take.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:19 (ten years ago)


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