ok lets all shit our pants to something old: pre-2006 horror film thread

I first saw that version as a sophomore in college, at a party where I was absolutely shit-faced drunk, and the scene in which the dishwasher at the diner gets pulled down the sink drain struck me as the most mind-blowingly scary/gross thing I had ever seen. But yeah, the movie always feels crazily off-kilter. The whole "buying condoms from the drugstore guy who turns out to be your date's father" is just . . .

Also, a 10-year-old kid has a pretty horrific death scene.

it's definitely a really weird movie, tonally. like it's going for camp nostalgia b-movie vibes for the majority of the time but throws in some of the most viscerally unpleasant deaths that i've seen in a film.

what happened in 2006?

There's another thread for films after 2005.

RETURN TO OZ

I quite like this. There's too much mad luck involved for me to really get invested in the drama but there's a lot of cool design in this film (Mike Ploog and Henry Selick were involved in the visual contributions) and I found it quite charming in places. The wheel guys look jarringly too 80s pop to me but the home of the head changing witch is pretty stunning. People talking in chicken voices never ceases to amuse me.

PHANTASM

I was mulling over whether to risk buying the box set and not like them or just buy the first then keep getting more if I like them. I got the box set. These might be reissued soon because the fifth film seems to be in production right now.

As some others were saying, it is indeed surprisingly dreamlike for a large part of the duration. I was anticipating a more splattery comedy. I appreciate the amount of night scenes, lots of shots of people surrounded by darkness. Good soundtrack. Can't say I was particularly engaged by this film but it is a pleasant oddity.

Lots of deleted scenes of sections of the story they completely discarded. Including a really odd one in which the older friends cover the boy in piles of ice cream and eat it off him.

PHANTASM 2

I think this is where all my memories of the series come from. This is the goofy humour, rubbery monster, gory action thing that sits somewhere near the Evil Dead series, Reanimator and Braindead. I don't think it pulls off the humour as well as those films though.

Maybe it's more common than I remember but it's odd seeing such a horror film not trying too hard to function as a stand-alone entry in a series.
It has more memorable moments and more fun than the first but it's not as good overall.

There's two particularly daft aspects of the film. (1) The two main characters don't appear remotely puzzled as to why the hitchhiking girl is so unfazed by all this madness, especially the extreme measures they go to for the trap setting (2) They also appear absurdly overconfident about assuming when the silver balls are safe enough to be near.

ILLUSION OF BLOOD

The third film I've seen about the Oiwa legend. I'd rank it above the mid 50s one but below the Nakagawa one. In a better print this might have been a very good looking film. No real surprises after the other films. Has the same nice setting with all those streams and grass, rarely much in the way of wide open space.
Don't know why they had to use fake rats all the time.

PHANTASM 3

There's more wrong with this than I can be bothered listing but the most glaring flaw is that Reggie comes across like more of a creepy pervert than intended.
Increased cheese and Evil Dead elements. The kid from the first film returns.

PHANTASM 4

There's still a bit of goofy humour but this is closer to the atmosphere of the first film. It expands the backstory but still keeps it vague. Also retains the series fixation on car accidents and has a succubus type girl. It's not particularly good but it's not as big a mess as the third film.
For me the most interesting thing is how well they incorporate unused footage from the first film. It's very unusual, as if they travelled time to shoot this film. From seeing this I assumed Coscarelli had planned all this from the beginning but from a documentary I saw that the original film was conceived as a stand-alone and he only did the first sequel after lots of prodding.

Another nugget from the documentary was that Brad Pitt was turned down to play Mike in the second film.

From the first film I thought Reggie looks so much like Dean Norris (Hank from Breaking Bad)

Yeah, the resemblance, in the first movie especially, is uncanny. I had to double check the credits when I saw it recently.

http://nerdist.com/j-j-abrams-restoring-phantasm-in-4k/

Watched Mark Gatiss' Horror Europa documentary on a whim today (I missed it on tv a few years ago), not expecting to learn much but I had never even heard of La Residencia/The House That Screamed (1969), and one or two other films that weren't really profiled. La Residencia looked quite interesting and I didn't know anything about the life of Conrad Veidt.
I think he should have made it a three parter, but probably harder to do than with his more brit/american focused three parter. Because it did seem odd that some directors like Jean Rollin weren't even mentioned.

Nice that these tv documentaries find such a big audience on youtube.

Also wasn't aware that Albin Grau planned Nosferatu as the first of many supernatural films with occult ingredients. I really like Grau's art, wish there was much more of it to see. Looking up his other film contributions, the only other film I've seen is Warning Shadows(which might be the only other available film), which is interesting but not as weird or horrory as Nosferatu.

I mentioned La residencia upthread, it's highly recommended. The cast is fascinating, a mix of beautiful and odd-looking people. Lilli Palmer is awesome as the headmistress.

Now I've got to check out Horror Europa, thanks for the tip.

Watched "Street Trash" tonight. Feel like this should be a little better known? Such a gnarly energy and aesthetic. Splatter/Punk/Mad Max/US Urban Decay 1980s vibes. The rainbow colored gore scenes are something to behold.

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/street-trash6.gif

Watched Horror Europa last night and thought it was not bad for what they chose to discuss. Agree with Robert however that Jean Rollin should have been mentioned at the very least. Also the only time Jesús Franco came up was in reference to his Christopher Lee Count Dracula film, which I don't consider one of his really significant works. At times the doc seemed like a commercial for a men's fashion house with all the attention given to Mark Gatiss's suit and shoes, etc. But.. overall well-edited with good visuals.

Ha, I never really noticed any lingering on his clothes. Should be noted that in his previous 3-parter A History Of Horror that he stated up front that his choices were very personal.

The thing that makes Rollin a glaring omission is that Gatiss makes it sound as if there was a real horror trend in France at the time of Les Diaboliques and Eyes Without A Face, but I'm fairly sure those films were some of the very few and Rollin seems like the only really consistent fixture until the extreme horror came in the 90s. The Belgian horror scene Harry Kumel refers to was most likely the fantastique fiction of the time.

I was quite pleased with Gatiss' ending for A History Of Horror because of his reservations about what horror fandom does for the films. I didn't totally agree but that's kind of a complicated subject you cant definitively sum up in a short time.

That Street Trash toilet scene is what I wish the splatterpunk genre looked more like. A bright multicolored graffiti, toxic and sewage look, or like some punk rock album covers.

I hadn't heard of Street Trash before this year, but it's hard at least two showings this year in NY, so it is being remembered

Melt movie enthusiasts are definitely a 'thing', and Street Trash is basically the biggest film that's devoted to the art of the melt.

apologies for my boorishness "melt movie enthusiasts", Street Trash has flown under my radar until this very year

Ha, I didn't mean that to sound snotty or "HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS?" at all. Sorry if it did. It's a pretty culty thing, which means that a) no, it's not that well-known outside its group of enthusiasts, but b) those enthusiasts exist and keep an audience for such things, hence the cinema outings.

Would like a melt primer!

('Melt' is such a gross word in general. When applied to people...ugh.)

yeah, i wanna know!
just saw Brain Damage recently, i wonder if that fits

A lot of melt favourites are "films with melt scenes in them", so they're not full Melt Movies - I think even the Wizard of Oz gets repped for as proto-Melt, and of course everyone loves that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark. There's an excellent montage piece on youtube somewhere, will see if I can dig it out later. For now, off the top of my head: The Devil's Rain, The Stuff, there's one called something like the Incredible Melting Man or something which I actually haven't seen, I think there's some melt elements to Peter Jackson's gore movies (also this indicates the crossover with general Body Horror), errr I'm forgetting a lot of things, I'm sure.

Brain Damage is fantastic, don't recall any melting. I'm guessing more like Emil's sloppy finish in Robocop.

i think i saw The Stuff but i don't know anything about melt -- is it about actual melting?

Pretty sure there's actual melting in the Stuff when it takes over, right? I'm sure I'm sure. I watched it again recently... I'm going to have to locate the scenes I'm thinking of to reassure myself that I'm not just making up the melt element in my brain. Also will give me an excuse to relisten to the jingle.

"can't get enough.. of-the-stuff!"
this was totally a meme for my crew in high school

There's really no acceptable reason why I haven't seen The Stuff. I love Cohen.

Yeah, this scene definitely counts as a melt, I think there are others in the film as well.

And this link is the excellent 'meltage' I was talking about earlier.

I guess I should caution that both links contain lots of body horror gore. Not sure what else you'd be expecting, but just to be clear.

The Stuff is totally fun, plot-devolution in the last 3rd notwithstanding

Assuming Cronenberg's The Fly is in there - the scene where he vomits on and melts the dude's arm and leg is all-time.

cronenberg really the king of the melt

"I'll take a Cronenberg melt with a side of Hooper slaw"

Yuzna's SOCIETY is pretty melty.

thanks for that link emil.y

Somebody let me know when this thread is safe to click on again, it somehow just became my version of the trypophobia one.

That clip was great! The whole 'melt' thing is kind of a perfect underexplored subgenre for me, inasmuch as the idea of melting is sufficiently horrifying but it's also kind of inherently ridiculous and removed enough from reality that I don't find it off-putting in the way that some ott gore stuff can be.

I wanna know where the clip of the screaming guy ripping his face off came from! Totally one-ups the infamous Poltergeist scene.

Society is essential viewing, despite its non-ending

some of my favorite body melt scenes that aren't in that youtube compilation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCoT6zE2mWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeT9EtpZxzc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmFtsmvEPQ

at 26:00 - reverse melt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jriXA6pIFak

This thread just got so gross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu5f3mADUA4

anyone seen The Mask (1961)? Canadian, 3D, etc. Showing in NYC on Saturday.

http://tiff.net/festivals/festival15/tiffcinematheque/the-mask-eyes-of-hell

That's completely new to me. Trailer looks interesting.

Was just thinking of the trend of low-budget filmmakers releasing belated and slightly bigger budget sequels to their breakthroughs in the late '80s. Have we talked about this? Thinking of "Phantasm II," "Evil Dead II," "Texas Chainsaw Massacre II." (Does three constitute a trend?) Are there more than just those three?

Just saw Messiah of Evil and was absolutely blown away. It definitely helped that I was lucky enough to get the blu-ray during the five minutes a year Code Red's online store is up and the owner isn't behaving like a complete fucking sociopath- I can't imagine seeing it without the right color balance, especially in the beach house, which has to be one of the greatest horror movie sets I've ever seen in a non-giallo movie.

Also, I've seen it described as Lovecraftian, but aside from the crumbling beachside town, it isn't. The closest it comes to Lovecraft is its resemblance to the (much) later In the Mouth of Madness, really. What blew me away about it is that barring one ill-judged but easily ignored flashback that comes perilously close to overexplaining things, it's closer to a Thomas Ligotti film than anything else out there.

Do you like... Wagner?

xxpost Henenlotter's Basket Case 2 might count (although I don't know how much the budget really increased). Interestingly, two of the three you mention have even more belated recent updates of same (assuming that the late great Coscarelli's new Phantasm actually gets released). Along those lines, I just read yesterday that Joe Chiodo is apparently trying to get a Killer Klowns TV series off the ground.

Wait, isn't Coscarelli still alive?

Anyway, just realized that Evil Dead 2, Chainsaw 2 and Phantasm 2 also all have chainsaw fights! And of course all three lean comedy as well.