everybody on ilx complains about reddit

omg lol xp!!!!

I sub to /askhistorians and most threads seem like its college kids asking for help with their homework.. or for people on the internet to do their homework for them.

But I dont really read it because it does seem kinda nuts. I dont need a bibliography for my fucking internet post.

and of course the whole point of reddits design is to serve up content to ppl who dont participate in the conversation, the ultimate in exploiting online trenchboi unpaid labour

bring back the statscock, imo.

xxp - totally. askhistorians is brought up as the good reddit, and it is free of MRAs and Nofappers and upskirts and shit, but there's also no give and take. It's rarely a discussion, it's one guy responding, excited to use his PhD on 16th century French agriculture outside of a strictly academic setting.

r/HistoricalUpskirts

r/aww, r/animalsbeingbros are still solid tho

here we see on this shard of greek pottery possibly a vessel for storing wine and illustration depicting

the problem with reddit is the design imho, voting sorting etc turns a conversation into a lame ass contest that wld necessarily only attract the saddest of players

yeah a lot of music genre subreddits are really lame because of this, they're almost all just series of youtube links with varying degrees of upvotes, almost no discussion whatsoever

but you do need a bibliography for your fucking internet post! source: i once decided to respond to a question on askhistorians, because somebody asked a question and i was all oh i know this, let me just dig up some sources for this in case somebody calls me on it (you know, like you do whenever you're writing a school paper), and during the process of digging up those sources i found out that the answer was something completely and totally different from what i thought it was. citing sources is boring and lame gruntwork but it's actually necessary if you're even remotely worried about facts.

kind of wish i remember what the question was or what i said, but it was really interesting and informative, trust me.

historical upskirts is a thing but as far as i know it starts and ends with fragonard.

the reason for the hitler thing is because he's lazy shorthand for "evil". on victorian reddit you'd just have a bunch of questions about judas. and when you got bored of that the rest of reddit would just be shitty scans of fragonard.

the "voting" system is a lame watered-down version of slashdot. the theory, i gather, is that you're crowdsourcing moderation, but the reality that is you're actually just mobsourcing, and also that if you have a community that's small enough to work you see everything on the community frontpage anyway so it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. as an object lesson in just how fucking irrelevant your opinion is it's useful, though.

i find the lack of discussion on most music genre subreddits to be a blessed relief, given the typical quality of said discussion.

xpost

Agreed about the voting, etc. Particularly the music subreddits. We really tried to create a high-quality music subreddit, discouraged driveby voting, and tried hard to encourage discussion. It was basically a losing battle. I mean, series of YT links have their place (an argument could be made that some threads on ILM hew pretty closely to this formula) but it's really damned hard to get much more out of reddit. Even the purely discussion-oriented music subreddit quickly devolve into "Does anyone else like the Beatles?"

tl;dr: the voting system sucks

xxpost

the problem's just scale. you have a community with more than a couple hundred regular posters and the whole thing devolves into an shitshow unless you start heavy-handed moderation tactics

Although in terms of decent, non-MRA, non-sensationalist subreddits, /r/TrueReddit was actually able to maintain a pretty high level of quality up to about 100K users. That was quite a few years back though, and while the sole moderator at that times wasn't heavy-handed by any means, they were highly engaged in the discussions and would frequently remind users to abide by the "reddiquette" (widely reviled on the entire site now) which basically meant respecting each other and not being a stupid man-child.

Can't type sans typos. Gah.

Guess there's also a big disparity between nominal subscribers and actual regular posters, so it could be that 100K nominal subscribers translated in reality into several hundred regular posters. Regardless, I agree with that moderator's theory that the overall level of quality relates more directly to the rate of growth rather than the absolute number of users. When Paul Graham wrote about the "fluff principle" and how the reddit system pushes the dumbest shit to the top, he described how watching reddit from the beginning it was clear the founders put a high priority on rapid growth at the expense of all else.

And now I will stop talking about reddit on ILX forever.

paul graham is an assclown

that doesn't invalidate your point I just feel like I should point it out

the saddest thing in the world is when you click the "new" link on a popular subreddit and watch dozens of sad horrible people desperately trying their hardest to get others to like them in real time

the thirst people have for those imaginary internet points. obviously "imaginary points" have been a thing in internet communities forever but reddit is like the one place where no one gives a shit about anyone else's, you have to actually go out of your way to find them. there can be a sub with the same # of regulars as ilx who post just as frequently but no one has any idea who anyone else is unless they're universally hated/trolls. no one even looks at anyone else's names, the whole UI is just anonymous blurbs of text organized stupidly. it is a sad place built with insecurity and alienation.

actually the saddest subreddits are the circlejerk ones, like just fucking get off reddit and do something else jfc

http://i.imgur.com/q79j9YT.png

there is never anything remotely compelling at /b/ anymore and, being 40, i don't know where the fun is these days ;_;

it's teens bullying each other on Yik Yak

I just bop around tumblr sites of people who catch stuff from /b/.

This is me, reading Tumblr Weekly.

http://i.imgur.com/3Mqr5cY.jpg

it's teens bullying each other on Yik Yak

i want Yik Yak but they don't make an app for my lol windows phone

I was recently wondering if anyone over 14 gets anything out of /b/ anymore.

OK, so I will make just one more remark about reddit, having just perused a few threads dealing with recent events.

Reddit used to just be kind of obnoxious, now at times it seems like its headed towards overt white supremacy and complete objectification of women, and could potentially become literally fascist in its dominant ideology. It's also becoming one of the biggest websites in the world and is a significant grounds for online socialization of young men. That's scary.

I could ramble on so more about the roots of the reddit ideology, in some of the relatively informed discussions I see the likes of Sam Harris being brought up pretty often. It seems like the logical extension of a kind of fundamentalist physicalist philosophy that's increasingly en vogue. Sam Harris was also mentioned by the proto-Nazi creepy liberal guy I met, apparently Harris inspired the talk about the need to nuke Pakistan ASAP. But anyway maybe this isn't the best place for the philosophical implications of reddit ideological group gropes.

my first time on reddit i said "oh, it's FARK" and i've not yet seen anything to contradict that take.
so of course i just looked up fark now and holy shit is it dead

http://i.imgur.com/Ej3uMXJ.gif

Kind of agree but what's the Fark version of https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy ?

It is more evolved fark, but the evolution includes tentacles and vestigial antennae

roffle

Are we not men?

http://www.metafilter.com/154757/Can-social-networks-substitute-for-peer-review-in-science

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/3taozw/my_girlfriend_21f_was_introduced_to_reddit_by_me/

oh my god

REEEEEEE

http://i.imgur.com/lSkFnnv.png

user: cesar milan

lol

this whole thing is p incredible and also how users are tagged by ideology and even have their own icons then spend the entire time explaining the different ideologies to each other lmao its very strange https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece

Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it).

at least I've found a new display name

Stop initiating force against me.

full anarchists like us

^^^ This was where I felt the Spies Like Us franchise started running out of steam.

the anarchist subreddits are highly highly recommended

for just the reasons lagume highlights

im totally for anarchism it seems, fun

what are their moderators like?

pretty free for all unless someone is an out and out fascist--"no safe space for fascist speech" is a common banhammer delivery

watching, like, Deep Green Resistance tree sitters argue with software engineer distributists and high school students who want to break windows is kinda fun