a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

http://www.foxbusiness.com/live-coverage/fox-business-network-wall-street-journal-gop-debates

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oooh! the color guard!

Lou Dobbs!

Does anyone even listen to Ben Carson?

I'll give Carson this: hope I look that distinguished when I'm 64. He's practically Omar Sharif.

Meanwhile, too many philosophers roaming the streets.

TOO MANY PHILOSOPHERS UP IN THIS PIECE

didn't know we had a glut in the philosopher market

thrice

The entire GOP campaign has turned into a Man Bites Dog factory. This article wrote itself:
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/09/repent_that_dumbledore_emerged_as_a_homosexual_mentor_for_harry_potter_inside_the_bizarre_anti_gay_conference_featuring_ted_cruz_mike_huckabee_bobby_jindal/

As a journalist you basically do nothing but hit record, and add a few declarative sentences about who, where, when.

answer the question about W adding only 13,000 jobs a month, lady

She really wanted to address that question head-on, but, as she said herself, the question made her think of a lady she met the other day, which in turn took her away from the question.

"for the 11,000,000 people, you can't just ship them across the border" -- kasich the truth bomb thrower!

So if I understand Trump's Eisenhower anecdote properly...he wants the wall hundreds of miles south of the border?

I....had no idea Ike sent immigrants back, back, back...and farther back.

"I Like Ike" - Trump's ear for a catchphrase endures.

Trump's rudeness to Kasich is just off the charts last couple of debates--he treats him like a three-year-old. Makes me laugh, but if I were Kasich, I think I'd have to take a swing at him at some point.

Kasich: "I'm an adult"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJxMd3Pls8&app=desktop

Carly Fiorina has a long history of shrinking big companies, IIRC.

regulatory thicket
regulatory thicket

Fiorina on Obamacare sounds like Hal Philip Walker on the national anthem: "No one can read it, no one can understand it..."

why even bother with the bell

I hope these mofos are happy with the lines of questioning now.

Undercard debate had a question along the lines of "how do we restore respect for our brave, awesome men in uniform?"

The main-stage debate has a question along the lines of "how horrible are the regulations that are choking small business?"

I was about to say, the framing is such that actually stopping before the second bell can only be seen as fatal weakness.

I assume Fox could name their price for Michael Bay's Benghazi film in the ad break.

(I am taking the opportunity of being able to watch the debate in real time, but I may go pick a fight with a sailor in Times Square if the next section is about taxes)

"Anybody on that stage would make a wonderful president."
—my mom while watching this thing

I love that he has to say tedcruz.org

ted cruz is going to eliminate the department of commerce twice!

i hate when they trot out strawpeople

my friend on FB just now: "Jeb should just serve the viable candidate drinks and shut the fuck up"

is trump still there?

barely

poor kasich he just wants to play :(

getting interesting now

Fiorina's "I've met Putin too--not in a TV green room" dig was good.

Feels like the first time Carson's spoken in half an hour--maybe I missed an exchange in there.

I'd bet money Kasich isn't up there for the next debate. Putting aside that he's often been the voice of sanity, I can't see them ceding so much time again to someone who has no chance to win.

Scratch Ted Cruz, find a gold bug!

"It wasn't about us--it was about them." Except for what I just said.

question: two men on this stage have received donations in the thousands by white supremacist Earl Holt, a man who was idolized by mass murderer Dylann Roof. Mr. Cruz and Mr. Paul, to your credit, you returned these donations after the slaughter in Charleston, SC. But why do you think a person like Mr. Holt was so eager to give so much money to your respective campaigns?

lol

John Kasich managed to score the lowest ratings of anyone ever focus-grouped by Frank Luntz

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426897/winners-losers-running-place-john-fund

I couldn't take another one of these so skipped it. Considering that neither of the last two (three?) made news, and that these fools are in the news every day making crazy independent of their campaign pledges and plans, I can't imagine any of these debates evincing anything surprising or illuminating. At this point we'd learn more by putting a cache of weapons in the center of the room then plunging the auditorium into complete darkness for 15 seconds, a la "Clue" the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNUP-so0ndQ

@pareene
Ted Cruz referenced the "torture and oppression" his father escaped in Cuba. His father fled the US-supported capitalist Batisa regime.

while i was watching i thought that ted cruz had narrowly avoided an Oops moment, but it turns out he escaped it with an asterisk:

“Today, we rolled out a spending plan,” Cruz replied, “$500 billion in specific cuts. Five major agencies that we would eliminate: The IRS, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Energy, the Department of Commerce, and HUD.”

He encouraged voters to go to his website, TedCruz.org, to learn about the full plan, which also involves eliminating the corporate income and payroll taxes. According to the site, the agency he neglected to mention is the Department of Education.

I heard him pause after DOE and my heart started pounding (i live for Oopsies), but i didn't realize he'd already mentioned commerce when he resumed. either way, he just kept going and i doubt too many people noticed in the heat of the moment.

Revitalizing the economy by putting tens of thousands of people out of work and eliminating Social Security. Sounds legit!

lol so the feds won't collect any taxes?

I didn't watch this cuz streaming these debates is a pain and really who cares at this point, but surprised at the lack of chatter here during this one

http://i.imgur.com/RpdkhxX.jpg

No tax collections and no weather service! No standard weights and measures. No research labs, no student loans (he apparently meant to say "Education" instead of the Commerce dupe), no housing programs. All that shit is for communist homosexuals. The dipshittery of these people and their campaign staff and their voting base is palpable and odorous.

Donald Trump is definitely not a racist xenophobe, he’s just a normal presidential candidate whose immigration plan would be modeled after an Eisenhower-era mass deportation called “Operation Wetback.”

http://gawker.com/totally-not-xenophobic-donald-trump-praised-operation-1741895276