Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

http://gawker.com/what-we-are-getting-wrong-about-police-reform-1740865621

In spite of evidence on crime rates and along with union statements and several reports of police pullback in New York and Baltimore, this theory has credence. Over-policing and under-policing are part of the larger whole, a dynamic of inappropriate policing that includes lack of police oversight and lack of community empowerment, among other problems. This view encompasses many of the policing problems in communities of color and marginalized city regions like Walnut Hill in Milwaukee, Southeast Washington, D.C., or East New York: from slow response call times to killings of unarmed citizens. Police in black and brown areas are entirely uncoupled from the demands and oversight of the people they are supposed to serve, and with that uncoupling comes an obvious result: tyranny.

good article

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/11/15/black-man-shot-by-police-ignites-protests-in-minneapolis/

This could be very, very bad - North Minneapolis has a history of abuse from police, if the handcuff allegation is true, or if the cops don't open all info, this is going to turn quickly.

the kids who occupied the atrium look so young and so hopeful

Protestors have blocked westbound interstate 94, mayor has called for a civil rights investigation by the DOJ

Mass arrest at protest going on right now

Guy who got shot just got taken off life support.

https://gist.github.com/webster/41b32bb45c516e8074d5

running collation of public responses by city leaders at various levels

http://billypenn.com/2015/11/12/why-democrats-republicans-are-pushing-the-bill-to-keep-officers-names-out-of-shooting-reports/

http://www.startribune.com/north-minneapolis-caught-in-the-middle/351540751/

by a n mpls school social worker who is not entirely positive but favorable about their school resource officer cop

Holy shit, reading these quotes is a pretty good primer on how awful the concept of "police union spokesperson" is

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2015/11/19/clark-not-handcuffed-had-control-of-officers-gun-union-says/76071962/

Please note, releasing the available video would hinder the investigation, but this shitheel spouting off is apparently totally ok.

Dude needs a refresher course in Constitution 101: "That's not a place to exercise your First Amendment rights. That's police property."

uh

FUCK EVERYTHING

http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/minneapolis-jamar-clark-4th-police-precinct-protests-shooting-shots-fired-white-supremacists-victims-suspects-injuries-photos-video-black-lives-matter/

holy shit

Statement from Jamar's brother:

Thank you to the community for the incredible support you have shown for our family in this difficult time. We appreciate Black Lives Matter for holding it down and keeping the protests peaceful. But in light of tonight’s shootings, the family feels out of imminent concern for the safety of the occupiers, we must get the occupation of the 4th precinct ended and onto the next step.

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This is all so soulcrushing

jesus

yeah holy shit

:(

essential follow: https://twitter.com/BlackLivesMpls

there's plenty of video out there of some of the white "counter-protestors" who may or may not have been the ones involved in the shooting. i'm a too infuriated and creeped out to give them a look. maybe this afternoon.

it's well documented that crews of white supremacists have been patrolling the protest site

bummed that they're telling people to disperse, seems like the more powerful response would be to encourage even more people to show up as a show of support - but I get that everybody's scared

has anybody called this terrorism yet cuz, y'know

yes it's all over twitter

also some are calling for more protestors, others to disperse

elsewhere in the midwest: http://abcnews.go.com/US/chicago-cop-allegedly-shot-teen-laquan-mcdonald-16/story?id=35391346

Patrol car dash cam footage of the incident exists and a judge has ordered for it to be released publicly by the end of day Wednesday.

There has been some speculation in the TC that once this video drops, BLM protesters from out of town might end up going to Chicago. After last night's events, tho, I don't know.

That the midwest is, in many ways, possibly the most frustrating and possibly scariest place to be black in America seems less and less arguable at times like this.

really? what's the broader evidence of that?

i don't know one way or another, but a few individual, high-profile incidents don't necessarily speak to this.

it's true that the city where i live (smallish city of 250,000; college town; state capital) has the widest gulf between black and white in terms of things like graduation rates, incarceration, etc. in part that's because the whites in this town tend to be very affluent and educated (a huge percentage have post-grad degrees), so that even if the black community is no worse off than other cities, that gulf is more pronounced.

but i have no idea if this situation is generalizable behind this city; it's probably not.

er, i mean generalizable BEYOND

really? what's the broader evidence of that?

Mike Brown - Ferguson, MO
Tamir Rice - Cleveland, OH
Renisha McBride - Dearborn Heights, MI
John Crawford II - Beavercreek, OH
Laquan Macdonald - Chicago, IL
Jamar Clark - Minneapolis, MN

To say nothing of the studies of the disparity between races on income/opportunity/education.

(Which you yourself mentioned.)

KKK's largest historical base of membership is Indiana

xp

so cops were not routinely observing the BLM protestors in Minneapolis nightly, ie close enough to discourage a violent attack? i ask as someone who has probably seldom been ten yards from a cop whenever i have attended a demonstration in NYC. (if this was not the case bcz it was a protest against police malfeasance, that raises a whole other line of questions)

at it's peak, membership included 30% of white males in the state (over 250,000) including state legislators and the Governor. Granted this was almost 100 years ago but the past isn't really dead it isn't even etc.

xp

xp which is why there's some speculation among protesters that the perpetrators were off-duty cops, but ... not sure I'm buying that.

Some early twitter reports said cops on duty started macing the protesters in the immediate aftermath

Is there a particular reason you're not buying it, out of curiosity? White supremacy and off-duty cops traditionally go together like a horse and carriage.

One arrested:

At approximately 11:20 a.m. on Tuesday, November 24th, officers with the Minneapolis Police Department made an arrest related to a shooting the previous night outside its 4th Precinct. Officers and Investigators worked non-stop throughout the night to develop suspects and leads.

A 23 year old white male was taken into custody in the City of Bloomington in relation to this case. His name will be released upon charging. The search for additional suspects continues.

surprised the cops are interested in arresting anybody tbh

Live details of the Chicago dash video from the Tribune's court reporter:

https://twitter.com/SteveSchmadeke

They really don't want to release this.

From the Guardian's Chicago reporter:

Zach Stafford ‏@ZachStafford
Footage will be viewed in court on Monday. However, city must still produce footage to public by Wednesday. #LaquanMcDonald

xxp i've had cop experiences that remind me of this sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1L7BKzaB7w

xxxp

I imagine they'd like to avoid the escalation of protests that would ensue if they do an obviously half-assed job of finding the shooters.

really? what's the broader evidence of that?

Mike Brown - Ferguson, MO
Tamir Rice - Cleveland, OH
Renisha McBride - Dearborn Heights, MI
John Crawford II - Beavercreek, OH
Laquan Macdonald - Chicago, IL
Jamar Clark - Minneapolis, MN

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, November 24, 2015 11:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To say nothing of the studies of the disparity between races on income/opportunity/education.

― thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Tuesday, November 24, 2015 11:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the latter wold be good evidence, the former are six incidents out of many thousands of police interactions

i'm not saying they aren't part of a larger trends indicating the midwest is unusually dangerous for black folks--it may be. but those incidents alone wouldn't indicate as much. (and there are sadly plenty of incidents all over the country.)

Although they may not, in themselves, prove the Midwest is unusually dangerous for black folks, they are certainly sufficient to prove it is not safe, and using the qualifier "unusually" glosses over whether the amount of danger that is "usual" is in any way acceptable.

they aren't sufficient to prove anything. as awful as they are, six cases does not a major trend make. now, those cases might be indicative of a trend showing that the midwest is unusually dangerous for black folk, but the cases won't prove this themselves.

again, i'm not making a substantive argument about the dangers for african-americans in the midwest or the country as a whole. clearly statistics have shown that blacks are not the victims of police harrassment and violence disproportionate to their numbers. but the small number of incidents that have become major media events are not the proof of this, though they are visceral and important evidence of it.

are not the victims of police harrassment and violence disproportionate to their numbers.

er, whoops, i mean they ARE THE VICTIMS... disproprtionate to their numbers.