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he seemed reluctant regarding this incident, no? maybe i'm misreading it but it seemed like they held out against saying it even could be terrorism as long as they could, even while the us + uk were claiming otherwise. idk.

Mordy, Friday, 6 November 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link

I doubt the UK would have been quick to leak rumours if it was their own plane. Russia has not ruled out terrorism but has said it's not appropriate to speculate while investigation is ongoing. Looks by the book to me but idk.

Al Ain Delon (ShariVari), Friday, 6 November 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link

sure i just mean it's not like putin was rushing to exploit "terrorism!" so that he could escalate the war - and even with the most recent news his moves seem to be very deliberate. afaict no passionate speeches about smoking out the bad guys, or public commitments to escalate. if he was looking for an excuse i think we'd see something different from the by-the-book reticence that has until now characterized his response.

Mordy, Friday, 6 November 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

He'd look pretty daft if the investigation leads to a verdict of explosive decompression though.

Al Ain Delon (ShariVari), Friday, 6 November 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

This is astonishing if true:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/06/missed-by-a-1000-feet-how-british-holidaymakers-came-close-to-being-hit-by-a-missile-in-august

A British plane apparently dodged a stray Egyptian missile in August. I didn't know passenger jets could dodge surface to air missiles.

Al Ain Delon (ShariVari), Saturday, 7 November 2015 13:07 (eight years ago) link

yikes

pep ponk aliyev (seandalai), Saturday, 7 November 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/world/europe/confirmation-of-attack-on-russian-jet-may-strengthen-putins-resolve-in-syria.html?_r=0

Alexei Makarkin, an analyst at the Center for Political Technologies, saw two main options for Russia. One, he said, was that “Russia can intensify the Syria operation, send more troops and volunteers to support Assad.” That move, he said, would probably worsen already strained ties with the West.

In the second option, “Fighting the Islamic State will become a priority rather than supporting Assad,” he said. “In this situation, Russia will pressure Assad to move toward a transitional government.” Those efforts had already started but not gotten very far before the attack.

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Last week somebody floated two plain wooden coffins in a canal in St. Petersburg — home to most of the victims — one spray-painted with the question “For what?” in red, and the other with “For whom?”

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/world/middleeast/as-us-escalates-air-war-on-isis-allies-slip-away.html

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have shifted most of their aircraft to their fight against Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen. Jordan, reacting to the grisly execution of one of its pilots by the Islamic State, and in a show of solidarity with the Saudis, has also diverted combat flights to Yemen. Jets from Bahrain last struck targets in Syria in February, coalition officials said. Qatar is flying patrols over Syria, but its role has been modest.

The engagement of Western allies, like France and Australia, has also been limited.

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Britain has talked tough about going after the Islamic State, but unlike France, its actions have not matched its talk. Britain currently flies bombing missions over Iraq and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance flights over Syria

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/amirtibon/status/663823452902682624

Mordy, Monday, 9 November 2015 23:16 (eight years ago) link

ISIS claim suicide bombing in Beirut:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/world/middleeast/lebanon-explosions-southern-beirut-hezbollah.html

Mordy, Thursday, 12 November 2015 21:05 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/us/politics/us-steps-up-its-attacks-on-isis-controlled-oil-fields-in-syria.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article

While the American-led air campaign has conducted periodic airstrikes against oil refineries and other production facilities in eastern Syria that the group controls, the organization’s engineers have been able to quickly repair damage, and keep the oil flowing, American officials said. The Obama administration has also balked at attacking the Islamic State’s fleet of tanker trucks — its main distribution network — fearing civilian casualties.

But now the administration has decided to increase the attacks and focus on inflicting damage that takes longer to fix or requires specially ordered parts, American officials said.

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The goal of the operation over the next several weeks is to cripple eight major oil fields, about two-thirds of the refineries and other oil-production sites controlled by the Islamic State, also called ISIS or ISIL.

“We intend to shut it all down,” Col. Steven H. Warren, a military spokesman in Baghdad, said in an email on Thursday.

curmudgeon, Friday, 13 November 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

But now the administration has decided to increase the attacks and focus on inflicting damage that takes longer to fix or requires specially ordered parts

hack their amazon prime account imo

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 13 November 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

Yep, i can't remember whether i posted a story about this or not but the US had been holding off attacking oil facilities because of the fear that they would take years to repair properly and do terrible damage to the post-war economy under the National Council.

Al Ain Delon (ShariVari), Friday, 13 November 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

Interesting article on life in ISIS, as revealed by tweets.

The internet is slower than irans nuclear program... can't even upload an avi.

Sanpaku, Saturday, 14 November 2015 07:48 (eight years ago) link

Some kind of progress seems to be happening at the Vienna talks, though it's worth noting that none of the Syrian factions are directly involved in talks:

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/665569712957468672

Kerry apparently says there's broad consensus on a road-map towards UN-monitored elections / ceasefire.

Al Ain Delon (ShariVari), Saturday, 14 November 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/

Charles Pierce goes back to the discussion re how ISIS is funded with this 2010 reference:

In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from.

I was doing some quick googling over the weekend and saw that most 2015 articles focus on ISIS getting money from oil fields that ISIS directly controls. Are random rich Sunnis in Quatar, Kuwait, and Saudia Arabia still funding ISIS? Plus, isn't stopping this funding a little tougher than Pierce lets on, or is he right that the West is so comfortable with these countries that we won't take serious action on this issue?

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 November 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link

apparently the US is also the biggest market for the stolen art that Daesh sells, but I don't have a link to confirm

sleeve, Monday, 16 November 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/05/19/world/middleeast/isis-finances.html?_r=0

The Islamic State takes in more than $1 million per day in extortion and taxation. Salaries of Iraqi government employees are taxed up to 50 percent, adding up to at least $300 million last year; companies may have their contracts and revenue taxed up to 20 percent. As other revenue streams have stalled, like banks and oil, the Islamic State has adjusted these rates to make taxation a larger portion of its income.

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 November 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

According to everything we've learned from the Mission: Impossible movies, taking out some rich Saudis, Kuwaitis and Qataris who fund ISIS should be a simple matter of overcoming the reversal at the end of the second act.

Aimless, Monday, 16 November 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link

Exactly, that's it!

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link

Hollande is expected to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Obama next week to discuss the campaign against the Islamic State and urge the formation of a “grand coalition” against the group.

In Paris, however, Secretary of State John F. Kerry gave a cooler assessment of moves toward closer Western-led military coordination with Moscow. First, Kerry insisted, a cease-fire in Syria’s more than four-year civil war must take root and various sides must find some common ground.

A Russian French coalition...

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

France's earlier effort in Mali had some success, but there are still problems there

Today, parts of Mali’s central and northern territories remain a menacing no-go zone where just last week, Reuters reported that government troops said they had killed Islamic jihadists suspected of attacks in the region. An invisible line, running along the Niger River, has torn the country in two as it struggles to rebuild a common identity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/arts/design/african-biennale-of-photography-returns-to-mali-amid-unrest.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

― curmudgeon, Monday, November 16, 2015 4:29 AM (Y

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link

Shoigu busted out the cruise missiles for the Kogalymavia announcement.

Partnership still looks a long way off but I'd expect a lot more intel sharing.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link

Russian intel supposedly suggests that an airport employee planted plastic explosives on the Kogalymavia plane.

ISIS has said that they had been planning to bomb a plane at Sharm-el-Sheikh for a while and initially thought it was going to be a member of the US-led coalition bombing Syria (idk who flys direct out of there and is involved atm - Turkey, maybe) but switched to Russia late on.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link

Only a political solution that finally incorporates Sunnis into Iraq, he said, will work.

He is Robert S. Ford, a former American ambassador to Syria and now a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute.

Is there any sign that the Iraqi government is doing this, or any way that anyone is encouraging it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/world/middleeast/in-rise-of-isis-no-single-missed-key-but-many-strands-of-blame.html?rref=collection%2Fnewseventcollection%2Fattacks-in-paris&contentCollection=world&action=click&module=NextInCollection®ion=Footer&pgtype=article

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link

Others offer answers and more possible problems with those answers

The answer is simple...or maybe not

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/world/middleeast/envisioning-how-global-powers-can-smash-isis.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article

“The answer is simple: To beat ISIS, you need the enlistment of the Sunni forces that won’t happen as long as Assad remains in power in Damascus,” said Ehud Yaari, an Israel-based fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “The shortest and most effective way to deal with ISIS is for the United States and Russia to come to an agreement about the removal of Assad, and they will get support from others. Then the Sunni forces, the rebels, can deal with ISIS on the ground.”

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Eradicating the group militarily from the territory it controls could come with another cost.

“Thousands of angry young men who were manning checkpoints and policing the streets of I.S. will be freed up to commit terrorism instead,” said Mr. Berger, the Brookings scholar. “The result will probably be a wave of terrorism the likes of which the world has never seen.”

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link

probably, but then again maybe not.

Aimless, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

when has the intelligence community ever been wrong?

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link

x-post--that Berger statement about the IS folks manning checkpoints suddenly committing waves of terrorism seems like it could be wrong (they may not be former Baathists or jail-hardened jihadists)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 21:26 (eight years ago) link

yeah that seems like a questionable theory for a bunch of reasons, one being that terrorism takes resources and not just people, another being that a person willing to be a tax collector may not be equally willing to strap himself with explosives, another being that territorial control in itself enables recruitment.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/ajKC27t.jpg

came in the mail today. ominous.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link

lol

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link

lol @ totally misleading url:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-uranium-stockpile-grown-u-n-nuclear-agency-161549311.html

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 00:05 (eight years ago) link

one of my sister-in-law's seminary teachers was killed in today's knife attacks :(

Mordy, Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link

dear god. i'm sorry.

goole, Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link

hfs sorry to hear that mordy

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, that's awful, Mordy.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link

Terrible.

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 November 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link

Reports of 27 dead, including a Belgian diplomat.

A 17-y-o girl from my neighbourhood has just become the first person jailed in the UK for trying to go to fight against ISIS.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link

fight against?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link

For Kurdish forces I would assume.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link

unrelated interesting read here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/magazine/the-doomsday-scam.html

Mordy, Friday, 20 November 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link

xp, yep.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link

And yet I saw some City of London banker type being interviewed recently having come back from fighting for the Kurds... he wasn't a Kurd though.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link

I would guess that she tried to join a group aligned with the PKK rather than the YPG but they work together and there's not much difference on the ground.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/19/as-france-bombs-isis-civilians-are-caught-in-the-middle/

The U.S. military also claimed a new first in its war on ISIS this week, employing warplanes to attack hundreds of trucks smuggling crude oil on behalf of the terrorist organization on Monday. According to the New York Times, the campaign, dubbed Tidal Wave II, was planned before the attacks in Paris as part of an escalating effort to disrupt the flow of tens of millions of dollars ISIS generates monthly through the production and sale of oil. To avoid killing civilians, the Times reported, U.S. forces had previously held off on directly targeting tanker trucks involved in the Islamic State’s illicit oil trade.

“To reduce the risk of harming civilians, two F-15 warplanes dropped leaflets about an hour before the attack warning drivers to abandon their vehicles, and strafing runs were conducted to reinforce the message,” the paper noted in its description of Monday’s strikes, adding that a U.S. official said “there were no immediate reports of civilian casualties.”

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 November 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

The UN Security Council has unanimously voted to fuck up ISIS. What difference this will make is open to question as I can't really see a ground invasion happening any time soon but it does at least offer some legal cover and make it harder for opponents of bombing to argue on that front.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 20 November 2015 23:07 (eight years ago) link


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