xxxp maybe the producers were just big Cronenberg fans?
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/709071/23088455/1373515253447/deadringers-demo.jpg?token=zu4x3cSINBrjsb6kUVA1uoyejGo%3D
― Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
I'd argue DS9 was a show that led to shows with greater use of continuity and less use of standalones (Sopranos and Buffy didn't come in the end of the decade)
This is an interesting argument... Before DS9 and Babylon 5, were there any TV series that had multi-season arcs? I can't really think of any examples, at least if you exclude "will they or won't they" type of romantic plots, like Sam and Diane in Cheers. Even in Twin Peaks the network made them solve the murder mystery midway into season 2, I guess because they were afraid people would get tired of that arc if it continued much longer.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
Maybe Hill Street Blues (never watched) and Homicide (sort of) did this
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link
Sex in the City deserves a mention in terms of series continuity stuff, altho I don't think it was the first
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link
sitcoms are another deal... besides, beaten by Seinfeld years earlier on that front
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
i do wonder why 1998 was the year that networks were like hey it's OK to do this now
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
haha yeah what was the driver there
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
dvd box sets?
― nerd shit (Will M.), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link
It was definitely the advent of technology, but I don't think complete seasons of shows were available yet in the late '90s.
Anyway, multi-episode arcs have been around forever in the form of soap operas.
― :wq (Leee), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
But the show had other arcs and good stand-alone episodes too, so the list gives a "no" rating to eps like "Captive Pursuit", "Little Green Men", "Children of Time", "It's in the Cards", "It's Only a Paper Moon", and "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", all of which are good episodes, or at least fun to watch, they just don't advance the big storyline.
I agree with this. Some of the more lighthearted episodes are essential to me because they offer a much needed contrast to the darkness of the majority of the story arcs. Take Me Out to the Holosuite being a good example. And I think DS9 actually did funny well. This makes the whole series required for me, to just watch the Dominion war arc you're not going to get the full picture of the characters.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
xp i agree that ds9 spreadsheet leaves out a lot of good episodes, i was just linking it for shakey who seemed offput from doing a complete watchthrough
i still haven't finished the full watchthrough myself, currently almost done w/ season 6 which has been pretty excellent
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
also as far as ds9 standalone eps go i really enjoy the "let's torture o'brien" episodes that happen once or twice per season e.g. "Whispers" "Visionary" "Hard Time"
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
haha yes!!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
Two of my favorite DS9 standalones are "Civil Defense" (station goes into lockdown mode) and "If Wishes Were Horses" (horny Dax).
― :wq (Leee), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
No love for Vorta Iggy Pop?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
This is excellent:https://storify.com/solaana/nicole-cliffe-liveblogs-beyond-uhura
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 1 November 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link
Apparently we will have a new Star Trek series in 2017!
― Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Monday, 2 November 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
I like how no one ever, ever mentions Enterprise, it's like it didn't even happen.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
"This new series will premiere to the national CBS audience, then boldly go where no first-run Star Trek series has gone before — directly to its millions of fans through CBS All Access,” said Marc DeBevoise, executive vp and GM at CBS Digital Media.
― Nhex, Monday, 2 November 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
Cool, the first Star Trek series to only last a single season!
― Trimming The Hegyes: The Life & Times Of A Sweathog's Barber (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 November 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
CBS?
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 2 November 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
CBS always owned the show, didn't it? Just not broadcasting it.
― Purves Grundy (kingfish), Monday, 2 November 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
i know a few people who insist that Enterprise was pretty good, after the first season. But since everyone else stopped watching halfway through the 1st season, no one knows that.
great there's a new series, if done right, too bad it's on some streaming shit no one is going to pay for.
― akm, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
like why not just put this on your shitty network?
I enjoyed Enterprise, but it did have it's issues and sort of fizzled out at the end. But still, I liked parts of it more than I liked the more boring parts of Voyager or 90% of TOS episodes.
― Jeff, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
90% of TOS episodes
get out
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις
Enterprise had some good episodes! Cool premise, thought it was shot well / nice enough to look at
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:22 (eight years ago) link
but... SpaceBush
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
They should have done NCIS: Starfleet.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
nice enough to look at
T'Pol?
― :wq (Leee), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
haha, SpaceBush? Do you mean that one engineer, or just the series had kind of a conservative vibe? That opening song with the ra ra America stuff was really bad, and coming right after 9/11 was just rmde
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlXE_Knsbw
I thought I remembered an American flag waving at some point during that opening. I guess not, but there might as well be
Not crazy about this new CBS All Access gimic
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
Do you mean that one engineer, or just the series had kind of a conservative vibe
Bakula's captain is quite clearly modeled on Dubya imo - his diction, his squintiness, his casually brash decision-making, his inferiority complex masked with xenophobic bluster, his incuriousioty etc. It's gross.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
I guess not, but there might as well be
everybody in it is American - no Yuri Gagarin for ex.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
god just thinking about that crapfest is making me irrationally angry all over again
Haha
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link
CSI: Enterprise
― akm, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link
Am I misremembering or wasn't there a British dude on "Enterprise"? I only watched like half of one season.
― Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
you mean this worthless douchebag? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Reed
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
Tony Blair to Bakula's Bush
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
Would anyone here really be sad at this point if they opted to not make any more Star Trek movies or TV series? Unless it's something really inspired, I'd rather that they just hang it up.
― Trimming The Hegyes: The Life & Times Of A Sweathog's Barber (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
(Kurtzman's involvement doesn't suggest much in the way of inspiration.)
― Trimming The Hegyes: The Life & Times Of A Sweathog's Barber (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
I'm not particularly fussed either way; I do think that Trek's brand of optimistic humanism is outre now, kind of hard to imagine that sort of SF spaceship show after BSG now.
― :wq (Leee), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
xp Tony from Desmond's to Bakula's Bush
― soref, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
in the abstract I like the idea of a continually ever-expanding Star Trek universe/franchise - much moreso than any other franchise tbh - but in practice it's just not working out so well
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
after BSG
lol BSG wasn't *that* good - in fact 1/3rd of it was unbelievably shitty
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
i wouldn't have been sad if they'd opted to not make any more star trek movies or tv series in 1967
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
i've only seen the really good part of bsg and it sucks
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
like all the speeches ejo has to gravel his way through simultaneously sound like they were the last thing in the script before deadline
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
anyway original tos anticancellation campaign was prob when we entered the fallen world