a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

if i'm lucky enough to have a death bed speaking opportunity, i hope i remember to make "...all of those things under the umbrella of job creation" my final words

only her die-hard admirers (who were worrisomely but not election-winningly numerous) would walk away going "i sure agree with what she said!"

even these people i don't think were hallucinating coherence in those answers. they liked her red-meat pig/lipstick hopey-changey stuff which she was much more facile with. when those smug know-it-alls forced her to stammer out disconnected cliches about stuff (like foreign and domestic policy) that's all gut anyway, people saw themselves up there and knew that they'd probably stammer even more but that the ideological morphemes they'd manage to get out (job creation, shore up our economy, opportunity, shoring up our economy, job creation) would be evidence of common sense in them as they were in sarah. plus, she is german.

yeah def - her support was driven very much by affect, and the rogue/maverick narrative could incorporate each new bungled answer as confirmation of itself: she may not have your big-city smarts and she riles up the ~mainstream media~ with their "gotcha" questions but she shoots from the hip and has a family like you and me. trump isn't playing the exact same deck of cards but i have to assume their base of supporters overlaps considerably and he also has a teflon narrative where saying "but the things he's saying are crazy and dangerous" misses the point, in terms of the registers on which his support operates and communicates.

Carson is obviously more dangerous than Palin bcz Palin is a has been.

All three of these clowns are practically glossolalic, and the people who back them will hear whatever they want to hear as long as they hit on a handful of conservative watchwords now and then.

FLIIIIP FLOOOOP

if i'm lucky enough to have a death bed speaking opportunity, i hope i remember to make "...all of those things under the umbrella of job creation" my final words

― 1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, October 19, 2015 1:51 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

should be added to the pledge of allegiance imo

Saw some piece making the Facebook rounds suggesting that Carson might actually be mentally ill. Sure, why not.

you know what's under the umbrella of job creation?
people.
(pause for applause)

It's pretty clear to me in that Palin quote that she has garbled what her coaches said as they primed her for the interview, and is randomly stringing together verbatim phrases and fragments that she'd heard, but which she never synthesized into any kind of sense. Making a word salad out of them was the best she could do.

mmm with bacon bits and kale

http://www.nordicmusik.com/ekmps/shops/northuk/images/absolute-hits-2008-29-10-2008-2918-p.jpg

CANDIDATE	CNBC’S POLL AVERAGE FOR THE DEBATE
Donald Trump	23.8%
Ben Carson	18.7
Carly Fiorina	9.5
Marco Rubio	9.3
Jeb Bush	8.3
Ted Cruz	7.2
Mike Huckabee	3.5
Chris Christie	3.2
John Kasich	3.2
Rand Paul	3.0
Rick Santorum	0.7
Bobby Jindal	0.5
George Pataki	0.3
Jim Gilmore	0.0
Lindsey Graham	0.0

In order to make the main debate, the “candidates must stand at an average of 2.5 percent in the national polls by NBC News, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Fox News and Bloomberg – released from Sept. 17 to Oct. 21.”

looks like poor lindsey isn't even going to meet the threshold for the kids table debate.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/lindsey-graham-may-not-make-the-republican-undercard-debate-on-cnbc/

oops, sorry, left out this additional bit of context: "To make the JV debate, a candidate has to hit 1 percent in any one of those polls."

How on earth is Christie still that high in the polls?

Voters who aren't paying any attention at all will still answer polls with whatever vague idea they have half-formed in the back of their mind. So maybe half that 3.2% could reflect their reading a laudatory story about Christie post-Sandy. Lord knows where Jindal's 0.5% comes from.

https://medium.com/@deray/reflections-on-meeting-with-senator-bernie-sanders-and-secretary-hillary-clinton-and-the-38c4a2d9f797

lol:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/house-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-200901550.html

maybe that belongs on the us politics thread idk

DJP's link definitely worth the read.

yeah that's some real meat n potatoes stuff

that's fantastic, DJP

^

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/FHZ8w7yLc_hsjc3aKWZRAg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://40.media.tumblr.com/e0567ddf4064634a83eb7b2a45f68f1d/tumblr_inline_nwhfyhss3X1tdgnv1_1280.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/q4sDb5t.jpg

fascinating:

Marijuana Legalization

We talked to Sen. Sanders about making sure that people of color, who have been disproportionately criminalized in the informal marijuana economy, do not get locked out of the emerging legalized marijuana economy because of criminal records tied to possessing or distributing marijuana.

Sen. Sanders asked for additional clarity on some key points and noted that he had not heard this argument in this way before and would consider it.

^was just about to c+p that exact passage

During our conversation, Clinton used a metaphor of the “three-legged stool” to describe a partnership between the federal government, the private sector, and the community. The community’s role in “stepping up” and “taking the initiative”, in her view, was essential to securing the benefits of support offered by the federal government.

We pushed her to strengthen her description of what the federal government will do to honor its responsibility in this partnership and to acknowledge that racism continues to block access to political and economic institutions that no amount of “hard work” can overcome.

otm

Jeb! channeling Palin:

“Well I, it’s the question on Benghazi which is hopefully will now finally get the truth to it, is: was that, was the place secure?”

jim webb apparently considering an independent run

you can pretty effectively filter out which pundits to ignore forever by seeing who's taking that seriously

lol

is David Broder dead

I look forward to his "I'm mad I haven't been granted equal time" platform

facebook is telling me some guy on twitter said someone told him biden is running..

is the media the only constituency clamoring for a biden run? well, the media and the credit card companies biden is a slave to..

some Fox News correspondent said Biden was running afaict

We talked to Sen. Sanders about making sure that people of color, who have been disproportionately criminalized in the informal marijuana economy, do not get locked out of the emerging legalized marijuana economy because of criminal records tied to possessing or distributing marijuana.
Sen. Sanders asked for additional clarity on some key points and noted that he had not heard this argument in this way before and would consider it.

is it?

or at the very least at the illuminati induction service

xp he may not have thought much about how marijuana criminalization would impact participation in the emerging legalized marijuana economy. it makes sense but i had never thought about it until reading that link.

i'll call bullshit on myself as a lazy reader in that i did not catch that as the meaning of that statement.
if there's passage for national legalization, is there a followup movement for general amnesty and expungement of criminal records for possession and sale?

that's the way I interpreted it too, Mordy.

national legislation isn't going to happen, this is going to be a state-by-state thing

that's what i heard about gay marriage too but things accelerate

no national legislation about gay marriage passed

unless you count the DOMA

We talked to Sen. Sanders about making sure that people of color, who have been disproportionately criminalized in the informal marijuana economy, do not get locked out of the emerging legalized marijuana economy because of criminal records tied to possessing or distributing marijuana.
Sen. Sanders asked for additional clarity on some key points and noted that he had not heard this argument in this way before and would consider it.

kudos for BLM's approach, which seems intelligent and systematic but wtf that Sanders, a lifelong liberal politician, had not considered that marijuana laws might be used as a tool for racial subjugation. i am pretty sure that's taught in first year law, no?

― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Monday, October 19, 2015 6:04 PM (10 minutes ago

i'm a little confused as to what the "emerging marijuana economy" even refers to. the ability to buy weed? sell it? be prescribed it? the privilege of indirectly benefiting equally from an economy that may be boosted by marijuana regulation? i'm sure bernie is familiar with the racial aspects of the war on drugs. the question just seemed sort of oddly specific

anyway that was a good read and it's good that its led to some tangible changes in platforms/debate soundbites

ftr this is in Colorado's Retail Marijuana Code, re: rules about who can get a license to sell weed:

The Applicant can prove that he or
she has not discharged a sentence for a conviction of a felony
in the five years immediately preceding his or her application date;
7.
The Applicant can prove that he or
she has not discharged a sentence for a conviction of a felony
pursuant to any state or federal law regarding the possession, distribution, manufacturing,
cultivation, or use of a controlled substance in
the ten years immediately preceding his or her
application date or five years from May 27, 2013, whichever is longer, except that the State
Licensing Authority may grant a license to a Person if the Person has a state felony conviction
based on possession or use of marijuana or marijuana concentrate that would not be a felony if the
Person were convicted of the offense on the date he or she applied for a license;

some Fox News correspondent said Biden was running afaict
--Οὖτις

Seems like a foregone conclusion that he's running. Why would he wait if he's not going to run? And everyone seems to think it hurts Hillary and not Bernie but I've given up thinking Bernie can win, so I say burn the whole thing down. Not voting for HRC, that's for sure

yeah i'm sure those laws exist, and they should be rethought (if probably not discarded), but it's such a specific, minor instance of a downstream effect of the war on drugs that it's no surprise that someone wasn't even familiar with the particular issue

i mean the whole discussion they had with him was on major issues like broken windows policing, the wealth gap, the general militarization of police -- the ability of people with drug histories to get weed retailer licenses in colorado was just kind of a random road to go down

xp

sure

but otoh it's p obvious legal weed's gonna be huuuuuuuge business, so best to get these laws written right at the start, so that institutionalized racism isn't just automatically incorporated