a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Palin inspired such tremors of despair in aging liberals on social media for the first time that I'm a little nostalgic.

xpost I think that's the thing: Palin was just intensely incurious and didn't seem to have a coherent opinion about anything. Carson is a surgeon and presumably has some education and the linguistic building blocks to construct something that looks from a distance like a coherent argument. But then you look at it up close and realize that it's just utter dogshit with a bow on top. Palin didn't even try. Carson's like a walking Mad Lib. I don't know which is worse. They're all terrible. Burn America.

COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--

COURIC: Mock?

PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.

PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--

COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state.

never forget

She was just too busy reading all of the newspapers and magazines to get her rhetorical ducks in a row.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z75QSExE0jU/hqdefault.jpg

love how they're in a Hilton suite circa 1996.

PALIN: That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in. Where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it’s got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and getting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade — we have got to see trade as opportunity, not as, uh, competitive, um, scary thing, but one in five jobs created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation.

so yeah, okay, i'll give you carson as more dangerous for putting bad ideas together in a way that people might come away thinking "that guy knows what he's talking about." palin's total ignorance and, i'd say, stupidity, was self-inoculating in that the jumble was all on the surface, where only her die-hard admirers (who were worrisomely but not election-winningly numerous) would walk away going "i sure agree with what she said!" whereas your generic establishment republican voter would, at least to themselves, think "my god, that did not make any sense at all."

Palin quotes read like someone spilled a box of magnetic poetry.

But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy.

Like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as.

if i'm lucky enough to have a death bed speaking opportunity, i hope i remember to make "...all of those things under the umbrella of job creation" my final words

only her die-hard admirers (who were worrisomely but not election-winningly numerous) would walk away going "i sure agree with what she said!"

even these people i don't think were hallucinating coherence in those answers. they liked her red-meat pig/lipstick hopey-changey stuff which she was much more facile with. when those smug know-it-alls forced her to stammer out disconnected cliches about stuff (like foreign and domestic policy) that's all gut anyway, people saw themselves up there and knew that they'd probably stammer even more but that the ideological morphemes they'd manage to get out (job creation, shore up our economy, opportunity, shoring up our economy, job creation) would be evidence of common sense in them as they were in sarah. plus, she is german.

yeah def - her support was driven very much by affect, and the rogue/maverick narrative could incorporate each new bungled answer as confirmation of itself: she may not have your big-city smarts and she riles up the ~mainstream media~ with their "gotcha" questions but she shoots from the hip and has a family like you and me. trump isn't playing the exact same deck of cards but i have to assume their base of supporters overlaps considerably and he also has a teflon narrative where saying "but the things he's saying are crazy and dangerous" misses the point, in terms of the registers on which his support operates and communicates.

Carson is obviously more dangerous than Palin bcz Palin is a has been.

All three of these clowns are practically glossolalic, and the people who back them will hear whatever they want to hear as long as they hit on a handful of conservative watchwords now and then.

FLIIIIP FLOOOOP

if i'm lucky enough to have a death bed speaking opportunity, i hope i remember to make "...all of those things under the umbrella of job creation" my final words

― 1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, October 19, 2015 1:51 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

should be added to the pledge of allegiance imo

Saw some piece making the Facebook rounds suggesting that Carson might actually be mentally ill. Sure, why not.

you know what's under the umbrella of job creation?
people.
(pause for applause)

It's pretty clear to me in that Palin quote that she has garbled what her coaches said as they primed her for the interview, and is randomly stringing together verbatim phrases and fragments that she'd heard, but which she never synthesized into any kind of sense. Making a word salad out of them was the best she could do.

mmm with bacon bits and kale

http://www.nordicmusik.com/ekmps/shops/northuk/images/absolute-hits-2008-29-10-2008-2918-p.jpg

CANDIDATE	CNBC’S POLL AVERAGE FOR THE DEBATE
Donald Trump	23.8%
Ben Carson	18.7
Carly Fiorina	9.5
Marco Rubio	9.3
Jeb Bush	8.3
Ted Cruz	7.2
Mike Huckabee	3.5
Chris Christie	3.2
John Kasich	3.2
Rand Paul	3.0
Rick Santorum	0.7
Bobby Jindal	0.5
George Pataki	0.3
Jim Gilmore	0.0
Lindsey Graham	0.0

In order to make the main debate, the “candidates must stand at an average of 2.5 percent in the national polls by NBC News, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Fox News and Bloomberg – released from Sept. 17 to Oct. 21.”

looks like poor lindsey isn't even going to meet the threshold for the kids table debate.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/lindsey-graham-may-not-make-the-republican-undercard-debate-on-cnbc/

oops, sorry, left out this additional bit of context: "To make the JV debate, a candidate has to hit 1 percent in any one of those polls."

How on earth is Christie still that high in the polls?

Voters who aren't paying any attention at all will still answer polls with whatever vague idea they have half-formed in the back of their mind. So maybe half that 3.2% could reflect their reading a laudatory story about Christie post-Sandy. Lord knows where Jindal's 0.5% comes from.

https://medium.com/@deray/reflections-on-meeting-with-senator-bernie-sanders-and-secretary-hillary-clinton-and-the-38c4a2d9f797

lol:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/house-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-200901550.html

maybe that belongs on the us politics thread idk

DJP's link definitely worth the read.

yeah that's some real meat n potatoes stuff

that's fantastic, DJP

^

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http://i.imgur.com/q4sDb5t.jpg

fascinating:

Marijuana Legalization

We talked to Sen. Sanders about making sure that people of color, who have been disproportionately criminalized in the informal marijuana economy, do not get locked out of the emerging legalized marijuana economy because of criminal records tied to possessing or distributing marijuana.

Sen. Sanders asked for additional clarity on some key points and noted that he had not heard this argument in this way before and would consider it.

^was just about to c+p that exact passage

During our conversation, Clinton used a metaphor of the “three-legged stool” to describe a partnership between the federal government, the private sector, and the community. The community’s role in “stepping up” and “taking the initiative”, in her view, was essential to securing the benefits of support offered by the federal government.

We pushed her to strengthen her description of what the federal government will do to honor its responsibility in this partnership and to acknowledge that racism continues to block access to political and economic institutions that no amount of “hard work” can overcome.

otm

Jeb! channeling Palin:

“Well I, it’s the question on Benghazi which is hopefully will now finally get the truth to it, is: was that, was the place secure?”

jim webb apparently considering an independent run

you can pretty effectively filter out which pundits to ignore forever by seeing who's taking that seriously

lol

is David Broder dead

I look forward to his "I'm mad I haven't been granted equal time" platform

facebook is telling me some guy on twitter said someone told him biden is running..

is the media the only constituency clamoring for a biden run? well, the media and the credit card companies biden is a slave to..

some Fox News correspondent said Biden was running afaict

We talked to Sen. Sanders about making sure that people of color, who have been disproportionately criminalized in the informal marijuana economy, do not get locked out of the emerging legalized marijuana economy because of criminal records tied to possessing or distributing marijuana.
Sen. Sanders asked for additional clarity on some key points and noted that he had not heard this argument in this way before and would consider it.

is it?

or at the very least at the illuminati induction service

xp he may not have thought much about how marijuana criminalization would impact participation in the emerging legalized marijuana economy. it makes sense but i had never thought about it until reading that link.

i'll call bullshit on myself as a lazy reader in that i did not catch that as the meaning of that statement.
if there's passage for national legalization, is there a followup movement for general amnesty and expungement of criminal records for possession and sale?