a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Here's an easy system I invented

1. are they collecting paychecks based on their presumed expertise on politics and shit? if yes, hack. if no, not a hack.

What are you, gabbneb? other than a loser.

expert on demography

yeah I read "Albion's Seed" too - didn't turn it into a GUT for all American politics. Probably because I'm only a grade 3 jackass instead of a 6

i don't know if i'm a hack, but i'm def not as much of an amoral cunt as wither Clinton.

either

Yr more of a crank.

I say this with love.

thx crabbypants

"BRAAAAAAMETHEUS (El Tomboto)
Posted: October 10, 2015 at 7:55:36 PM
What are you, gabbneb? other than a loser."

https://thepbsblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/a-beautiful-mind-di.jpg

Lol

it's almost like you're mad about something. nah....

yeah, i didn't study american history, politics, call-it-civ, etc. at a top 5-10 school where i was encouraged to pursue graduate work or pass the time in a half-dozen offices in two branches of the Feds before i went off to $-land, i've only read one book that definitely doesn't threaten anyone who doesn't recognize how much they have invested in thinking themselves as primarily american, or white, etc.

as for names, i'l pass on the too easy.

i've only read one book that definitely doesn't threaten anyone who doesn't recognize how much they have invested in thinking themselves as primarily american, or white, etc.

i can believe this

There's definitely only one person in here acting threatened.

all this is even more hilarious if you've read the book

Oh shit dudes nobody told me I was going to be arguing with people that went to college

almost grad school

feel like 'neb has gotten much, much more cantankerous in his absence

let's give him another one very soon.

i bet he had a *really* good sat score

BEFORE they renormalized it

all this is even more hilarious if you've read the book

― balls, Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

indeed

Did someone say SAT scores?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtX3Vkn5cFM

1420
1420
1420!
I am better than youuuu
You are a piece of pooooo

yeah, i didn't study american history, politics, call-it-civ, etc. at a top 5-10 school where i was encouraged to pursue graduate work or pass the time in a half-dozen offices in two branches of the Feds before i went off to $-land, i've only read one book that definitely doesn't threaten anyone who doesn't recognize how much they have invested in thinking themselves as primarily american, or white, etc.

i literally cannot parse this sentence. is this in english?

sarcasm kills syntax

I can believe that gabbneb went to Five and Dime College. I was going to guess Walgreens University but the other makes sense too. I can't believe anyone has ever encouraged him to do anything other than shut the fuck though although I could see how a sadistic prof might think inflicting him on the US gov would be funny.

wait what happened to the discussion of the election and stuff?

back to the real issues y'all, when we attack each other then the terrists win etc.

benbbag isn't as bad as all that, but he definitely should know better than to try to puff himself up on ilx with by bragging up his academic credentials or how incredibly smart he is, because this place is aswarm with incredibly smart people who know just what those brags are worth. you live or die here based on what you bring to the table and no one gives a shit who patted you on the head at university.

is THAT what he said? I haven't run his sentences through my translator.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/2cd1cd537b1981881d360595c45bb6a9/tumblr_nqpz3p0FLZ1u90p3qo1_1280.gif

yeah i honestly couldn't tell if that was a brag, a mock-brag, and anti-brag, or just something about french toast fed through google translate a few times.

https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/653362817714790400

you live or die here based on what you bring to the table and no one gives a shit who patted you on the head at university.

a lot of rhodes scholars have left ilx with toe tags

ok well im super drunk right now after working in a half-dozen branches of the Feds and i have a top 5-10 school prof waiting in bed

lmao

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/12/the_dnc_screwed_hillary_now_get_ready_for_a_bernie_sanders_earthquake/

[In 2008 Obama drew crowds half the size Sanders pulls and got written up like the Beatles at Shea Stadium. The press believes only in polls and money. In September 2007 Clinton led the young, charismatic Obama by 14 points after debating him every other week for six months. She still led by 8 in national polls the night he ran her over in Iowa. On the eve of their first debate she leads Sanders, a disheveled, 74-year-old socialist from Vermont, by 16 points. Last week Sanders’ finance report showed over a million small donors, better than Obama’s record 2008 pace. More impressive to the press, he pulled even with Hillary in total money raised.

She couldn’t say it because admitting fault comes hard to her, and because she doesn’t believe it. From her tenure as Secretary of State, from her remarks on the Edward Snowden case and for lots of other reasons we know her basic take on government secrets is ‘the more the better.’

This is her problem; misunderstanding many of the issues she studies so hard. She can’t speak with conviction of the evils of globalization, she spent years cheering it on and doesn’t really get what’s wrong with it. She can’t get too worked up about pay to play politics; she perfected it and still deems it the best way to win elections. After four years as Secretary of State she still doesn’t see the folly of exporting democracy by force of arms, or that our safety lies in the rule of law.

Clinton has reversed herself on two huge issues: the Keystone pipeline and the Trans Pacific Partnership. She’ll get less credit than she’d like and fume about how hard it is to satisfy liberals. But in making each switch she looked and sounded as if she were moving pawns on a chess board. She announced the Keystone decision in a blog that provided almost no rationale; the line the “SNL” writers gave her was stronger than anything she said about it in real life.

Do we have a drinking game for the debate tonight?

If you accidentally find yourself watching, quickly take a drink and change the channel?

less of a game, more of a strategy there

Friends and I were looking at the Dem candidates' logos yesterday, and the ones that aren't entirely generic are just . . . Chaffee's looks like a brand of coffee:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Chafee_for_President.png

and I don't even know what's happening with O'Malley's, but don't hire this design firm:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/O%27Malley_for_President_2016_Logo.png

o'mg

a lot is lost in brand design when it is done in ms paint

I love that they call Hillary the 'nominal' frontrunner. She is leading by 16 points, and 538's endorsement count has her leading Sanders 354 points to 2. She is the frontrunner, to a larger extent than pretty much anyone has been the frontrunner in a primary.

Sanders has doubled his support among black americans in latest yougov poll, from 4% to 8%, which is still pitiable, and as much as Salon and other places clamor that it's just because nobody knows him yet, he has created a gap in awareness of him among white and minority voters, a gap that people like O'Malley and Chafee has created. He can't win a democratic primary just reaching out to the votes of educated well-off whites, and he'll hit a wall in South Carolina at the latest. That is his most major problem, one that has been pointed out for months, but which he seems incapable to fix. And when glowing panegyrics like that Salon piece ends with naming two things Sanders needs to do, but fails to mention his lack of support amongst minorities, it makes me think less of his chances. His supporters don't get it, and that recent interview with Sanders in Ebony magazine made me think that he only sort of gets it.

om shanti shanti shanti

I'm certain that Sanders himself gets it

Appreciate the received wisdom, Fred.

whether he gets it or not, he's not going to be nominated, so rest easy

Well yeah, right now that seems clear; it will be interesting to see if it holds true over the next few months.

@ Frederik B - I still agree Sanders has little hope of winning South Carolina. Still, as I mentioned when you brought up the 4% share of the national black electorate on August 25th, it'd be good to pin down some idea of what would be non-pitiful performance, or basically, how would we know if he's making progress versus not making progress? You say going from 4 to 8 is not enough to get him out of the "pitiable" zone. 8% is obviously really low. Thing is, the South Carolina primary is ~20 weeks away. So long as we're just playing with numbers, suppose he continued to double his support every 6-7 weeks - why, he'd be at 64% of the black vote! Obviously that is ludicrous and takes nothing else into account. So, is going from 4 to 8 more or less than other candidates who've started with such low numbers have done in a similar span of time? How should we weight this against him going, in the South Carolina polls specifically, from 9% to 20% over the same period (with Biden included in the polls)? Can we rate this against advertising and events in South Carolina? Can we track any of this against his baseline name recognition over time? All this is what you'd expect 538 to be doing, and doing well - but I think they've actually continued to get worse over the last couple months. They're not even doing likability vs. name recognition, which is part of their standard playbook. So I feel kind of in the dark in the numbers game in a way I haven't since Silver first donned a green visor and pulled up a seat by his trusted adding machine.

Look, Sanders has huge, huge problems. He has tons of work to do. His numbers with black voters in South Carolina are worse than his numbers nationally. I maintain that this race is not about him winning, but if it is about him insisting that there is a path to winning for some kind of progressivism, then it's crucially important that he demonstrate an appeal to, and real ability to listen to, minority voters. Otherwise, yes, it's the same old doomed white leftie sideshow, whatever its other ripple effects. I'm not sure what point there is in writing postmortems for that project before it's clearly failed.

The people who pay for the party will make it fail. The voting won't have much to do with it, except to the degree the leadership and the media will kneecap Sanders if they have to with whatever Dean Scream is at hand.