a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

yo is it true ilx got sonned by a snowman after a gabbjeb beef?????

Wait, are you saying Snowden is running?

Yeah, if Jeb's name were anything but Bush his poll numbers would have consigned him to oblivion.

however, I'm starting to think that the Cuban American hat rack has a bigger chance.

xpost Is that really true? 8-10% in a very crowded field isn't a sign of a super strong candidacy but it's not "oblivion" IMO. I mean this is a race that includes George Pataki and Santorum still hanging around at, like, 0.5%. Maybe that's setting the bar way too low but given that everyone expects at least one of Fiorina/Trump/Carson to flame out in the coming months, there's a lot of the pie to get spread around. Perhaps one could say that in another race, these poll numbers would consign someone to the "not gonna win, but no reason to expect they won't hang around forever" seat. After the 2012 nomination, every one of these people have to be thinking that they could have their big surge still to come, at some lucky point in the field, and if they play their cards right they have half a chance. It admittedly makes more sense for people like Kasich who have something to gain from a major improvement in exposure on the national stage, or who would conceivably view the VP nod as a career move. That doesn't apply to Jeb!.

i still find him a complete lightweight, the gop's john edwards, but yeah it's him or jeb and it's kinda hard to imagine it's jeb now. am i crazy or is rubio the worst case scenario for hillary?

Rubes has yet to demonstrate that any Hispanic except surly old Cubans will vote for him.

at the same time i could totally see jeb in that surprisingly floundering campaign that manages to turn it around by the time the actual caucuses and primaries start a la kerry and mccain

I admit that I was completely on the Bernie Sanders train until I heard him say "free college for all".

That's about the time he had the conductor throw me off

yeah I think the idea that non-Cuban hispanic voters are in play for the GOP, and in particular would be in play because of the GOP candidate's background, is asinine and less-than-vaguely racist "conventional wisdom". Pew has Hispanic general public as +30 for Democrats and supporting legal residency for undocumented immigrants, etc etc. Much like AIPAC trying to sell the idea that the Jewish vote is in monolithic, single-issue, and in-play, it's a ridiculous notion.

ok, i'll take the bait.

why is it bad to establish goal to provide free tuition to public colleges? why is it so bad that to hear someone utter it is embarrassing and you can no longer support the candidate because of it?

i don't have blinders on, i've boned up on google search (including how to quotation marks!) and i realize the U.S. is in a different position than many other countries. but it's not an absurd goal by any means. there are ways to move toward the goal: http://www.attn.com/stories/211/how-does-germany-afford-free-tuition-all-its-citizens

silby otm

xp

yeah I think the idea that non-Cuban hispanic voters are in play for the GOP, and in particular would be in play because of the GOP candidate's background, is asinine and less-than-vaguely racist "conventional wisdom". Pew has Hispanic general public as +30 for Democrats and supporting legal residency for undocumented immigrants, etc etc. Much like AIPAC trying to sell the idea that the Jewish vote is in monolithic, single-issue, and in-play, it's a ridiculous notion.

yet this is the bullshit that pundits have peddled since November 2012. "Just put a guy who speaks Spanish on the ticket, that'll work."

i think its cute that in-party conservatives are going after trump's love of eminent domain. yeah, that'll bring him down

the dude from The Weekly Standard was so angry about that point yesterday he was incoherent even for him

the dude got to 25% in your crowded clown car by calling mexicans rapists and murderers, but ohh damn he just stepped on the third rail of KELO V CITY OF NEW LONDON

they're not in play, i can't imagine many republicans still harbor the rovian dream of hispanics being natural conservatives, but the gop could (must really) minimize their damage there. think more than that rubio could provide cover for white voters who are turned off by trump kind of rhetoric but sympathetic w/ the policy. rubio would have the added benefit of having been on both sides of the issue so pro-amnesty republicans can convince themselves he's really on their side.

It's hard for me to imagine anyone wanting to fuck Rubio, let alone a Dolphins cheerleader.

but the fact that's he's recently been on both sides of the issue might be troubling to enough people to cancel out any benefit that he might get from being able to fool people on one side that he's a true believer

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_908w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/the-fix/201504/Images/62049681428941590.jpg&w=1484

have to have pretty low self esteem to be a dolphins cheerleader of late

xp the exact opposite of the Clinton-JFK photo.

lol

god I went to school w/so many bros that look like Rubio without once getting excited

"c'mon guys! Hey! Hey why aren't you listening to me!"
https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_908w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/09/29/Local-Politics/Images/GOP_2016_Bush-02c8d-655.jpg

weird thing about jeb, low angles somehow make him look smaller

Anyone know how many degrees of separation btw Rubio and Herbert Hoover? Could be a crucial factor.

i'll say! Herbert Hoover was born on August 10, 1874, in West Branch, Iowa, the first of his office born in that state and west of the Mississippi River. His father, Jesse Hoover (1849–1880), was a blacksmith and farm implement store owner, of German (Pfautz, Wehmeyer) and Swiss (Huber, Burkhart) ancestry.

I learned at the FDR Library that he and Hoover never spoke after Inauguration Day 1933

they hated each other.

After Hoover's election defeat in 1932 and the accession of the Roosevelt administration, Secretary Ickes ordered on May 13, 1933 that the dam be referred to as "Boulder Dam". Ickes stated that... Congress had never ratified [the name], and that it had long been referred to as Boulder Dam. When Ickes spoke at the dedication ceremony on September 30, 1935, he was determined, as he recorded in his diary, "to try to nail down for good and all the name Boulder Dam". At one point in the speech, he spoke the words "Boulder Dam" five times within thirty seconds.

http://i.imgur.com/5V9KDVS.jpg

And the Google Image Search for that was scary!

http://i.imgur.com/Qb5TThY.png

If you say "Boulder Dam" in the mirror three times, Herbert Hoover appears and offers you one of his granddaughters to marry.

That doesn't sound too great.

what is up with fdr's glasses there

http://thekoreancarblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2014-superbowl-kia-k900-commercial-starring-morpheus-the-matrix-3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jDnZQjw.gif

loll

apparently they were friendly before HH became prez, tho

hoover was nearly the dem nominee in 20

FDR urged him to run in 1920 actually (before Cox became nominee and Wilson was deluded enough to think he could win).

man if the two of them could only see this campaign, i wonder what they'd say. "what's w/ all the hillbilly krauts?" i imagine.

apparently Hoover told FDR, "Mr. Roosevelt, if you have lived in this city as long as I, you should know that hte president of the United States calls on no one."

https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/651823875270049792

Jeb clarifies that by "let the big dog eat," he meant "releasing the animal spirit of the country."

how has this man combined his father and brother's worst attributes

Why is Jeb constantly "clarifying" his remarks?

Because they were so tonedeaf the first time around?

he's also once again failed to address the question of implementation - who will let these dogs eat? who?

who, who who

remember that joke recorded in nixonland about '68 campaign reporters having a special key installed on their typewriters reading "romney later clarified"

a good #actually:

https://twitter.com/jyarow/status/651801577343291392