a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Especially amazing since the mother, who WAS in his life, and despite knowing of his instability, provided him with quick, easy access to dozens of loaded weapons.

The truth is, I probably should have switched back to Democrat, but after the Iraq War and Bush's reelection I basically checked out of the mainstream political discourse. The Obama campaign did almost nothing for me. I remember watching a presidential debate between Obama and Romney, post-Lehman bankruptcy, and kept waiting for Obama to set the record straight about what created the mess. There was none of that, he was there to win a presidential debate, he wanted to win the election (duh). I don't know, I feel like if Trump was on that stage he would have named names. The truth is, I don't really want a Republican to win! And if Hillary is going to be the Democrat candidate it would at least be fun to see her crush Trump on stage.

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please note I am still undecided and will take recommendations

bobby jindal is cool

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/06/ben-carson-says-he-would-have-been-more-aggressive-against-oregon-gunman/

“Not only would I probably not cooperate with him, I would not just stand there and let him shoot me,” Mr. Carson said, explaining that he would defend his faith at any cost. “I would say: ‘Hey, guys, everybody attack him! He may shoot me but he can’t get us all.'”

these people are, to a man, among the vilest that humanity has to offer.

I remember watching a presidential debate between Obama and Romney, post-Lehman bankruptcy

Most likely that was McCain you remember, not Romney. But thanks for answering. I suspected that your desire to see Trump prevail in the primaries was not also a desire to see Trump win the presidency.

i am so angry i'm shaking.

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Thanks for the correction Aimless. I wonder what Ben Carson thinks about evolutionary psychology.

Bobby Genital

Bobby Jinidal

Ben? Bobby? I'd say that knowing when to keep your fucking mouth shut is a pretty essential quality that anyone running for President should possess.

amst otm, i kind of can't even believe there are people this stupid, let alone people this stupid who have lots and lots of supporters who badly want them to be president

stupid is a charitable word

“I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away,” Mr. Carson wrote.

kinda hacky piece, but his point bears some weight imo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/10/06/why-hillary-clinton-is-more-progressive-than-bernie-sanders-in-one-sentence/

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 6, 2015 3:58 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

breathtakingly idiotic piece

brain surgeon

pro-Palestine students ejected from Sanders rally; staffer responsible axed.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/dissent-on-israel-not-permitted-at-bernie-sanders-event/

I assume the "he wants to give gov't benefits to rich people!" is a generous mischaracterization of Sanders...?

xp

er ungenerous

I lolled: https://twitter.com/CerromeRussell/status/651489635617611780

For someone who doesn't want to waste 1 of 10 free washington post articles by clicking that link, what is the one sentence that shows that clinton is more progressive than sanders?

"I don't want to make college free for Donald Trump's kids."

(paraphrase)

xxp the bullshit powertrip fanfic of "man, if i saw a guy with a gun i would totally leg sweep him what is wrong with these victims" is repugnant as fuck

medicare for all etc includes rich people too (, my friend)

he's conflating "more electable/will more effectively govern" (which is a legitimate point) with "more progressive". it's the same argument gabbneb and most of the people itt make, that HRC would by virtue of being a democrat, and a relatively well-liked one, be more effective overall than a sanders presidency which might lead to a bunch of stalemating. it's a legitimate argument, but that's not the language that guy chose to use

that's not what I got from it. My takeaway is that Sanders is making a bunch of pie-in-the-sky promises that will give gov't benefits to those who don't need them, financed by magic. I guess the extrapolation from that is that Hillary's proposals are more "realistic" ergo she is "more electable" but I think the latter is only indirectly implied.

fully agree that it's a poorly written piece

Hillary's zinger is a good one tho

Why would anyone waste time on being offended by Carson's statements, they're just absurd

He seems intent on talking himself out of the race

I saw someone with a 'I stand with Ben' bumper sticker and was thinking about the lifetime of regret that will inevitably follow

xp can you guarantee that his statements aren't resonating with his base right now? remember that his base is constituted at least in part by the people that suggest arming public school teachers and students at universities is the way to prevent mass shootings

Damn that is the most disgusting thing I have heard in a long time.

Carson could have at least said "If it were me I would have rushed the shooter like that gay guy on Flight 93"

speaking of gun violence and the gop field.. this seems to be an unwanted development

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/El-Chapo-Puts-US100-Million-Bounty-on-Trump-Dead-or-Alive-20151006-0001.html

I would've said, "Hey, guys, everybody attack Carson!"

My takeaway is that Sanders is making a bunch of pie-in-the-sky promises that will give gov't benefits to those who don't need them, financed by magic

the "to those who don't need them" is a red herring designed to confuse liberals into thinking the policy is somehow regressive. medicare for all includes rich people. will it actually happen in the near future? no. but if and when such a thing does happen, the climate that allows that to occur will also facilitate the financing of such a plan by higher taxes, not "magic"

i mean, hillary to my knowledge is not talking about expanding medicare

"Hey, guys, everybody attack Carson!"

hey, he can't get us all

http://gawker.com/ben-carson-wouldnt-meet-ucc-shooting-victims-families-t-1735027922

Then Fox’s Brian Kilmeade asked if, like Obama, Carson would would still travel to visit victims’ families despite some residents protests of grandstanding, to which Carson replied all too casually:

"Probably not. I mean, I would probably have so many things on my agenda that I would go to the next one."

but if and when such a thing does happen, the climate that allows that to occur will also facilitate the financing of such a plan by higher taxes, not "magic"

getting the American public to agree to pay more taxes to provide benefits to people who don't need them sure sounds like magic to me

xp

the...rich will bear he brunt of those tax increases. is this the first you've heard of the concept of universal health care?

I'd like to see Sanders' math on how tax increases on the rich will pay for universal healthcare and universal college tuition

Dunno about college, but from what I understand, Medicare for all would be cheaper than the mess we have right now. Of course I'm sure there's a million ways to run the numbers.

Maybe throw in of that ever-increasing military spending money.

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Also, maybe not getting into multi-trillion dollar wars every few years might help.

but they're so fun

"I would go to the next one."

https://content.usaa.com/mcontent/static_assets/Media/cc_rightRailDesigns3.png?cacheid=3123621693_p

https://s.graphiq.com/sites/default/files/5880/media/images/USAA_Military_Affiliated_4385896.jpg

pretty sure there are fairly few trumps in the world. i think the number could even be expressed as small percentage of the overall population, or even a decimal or two shy of that percentage point. the "but his kids will also get this ~universal~ health care" is concern trolling designed to paint sanders as the first person who has ever articulated a "universal" program, as if the values lying behind that were alien importations requiring extensive vetting. this person does know that the middle and upper class can collect social security too, right?

think it's maybe not helpful to be conflating social security, medicare, universal healthcare, and universal college tuition as if they are all the same thing or are financed the same way