a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Uh, just wanted to add that that Colin Woodward book is really good, and clued me into a coupla historical trends I'd never really thought of before(e.g. why my home state of Michigan is more Anglo than German, but also why Wisconsin just across the lake is more German than Anglo, and Ohio being a particular mix of three different ethnographic vibes)

i have no problem with wild, inaccurate speculation. i do that all the time. but it's nice to add a little ~I Was Wrong, Whoops~ when you're clearly wrong rather than doubling and tripling > > > quindecupling down on something over the course of thousands and thousands of words.

You are just afraid of the unknown Karl Malone.

don't block, assist

benbbag, sorry i confused you. no, i didn't know where you were from or anything. i don't really have a good sense of who anyone is on this board, except the few folks i've met (over 10 yrs ago in most cases). sorry i was so rude!

still lol'ing at Ballbo Baggins

i don't know if you TrumpWatchers read the NYT Mag profile this week; he is literally indistinguishable from a mediocre SNL character. Howard Beale as pro wrestler.

Shocka of the day: Uncle Joe leaked his son's dying wish for him to run to MoDo for some cheap PR. He's so authentic, doncha know!

plus noxious rich asshole... Darth Warbucks xp

Didn't that happen, like, 3 months ago?

i thought it was worth noting in Leibovich (sp?)'s piece that one of Trump's audience-slaying lines in his Dallas arena speech was that Karl Rove is "an incompetent jerk"

part of this 'phenomenon' is Burn the House Down vibe

sort of like the Sanders logo parody, Bernie 2016: Because Fuck This Shit

y isnt his slogan 'bern baby bern'

ive seen variations of 'feeling the bern'

If Trump really called Karl Rove an "an incompetent jerk" I'm definitely voting for him in the primary. In 2000 I switched over to Republican to vote for McCain over George W.

wait I'm confusing Rove for Cheney. still, he's in the running

Marco Rubio's campaign is hiring former members of Scott Walker's team, and political journalists have decided to declare this a good thing.

i believe the slogan is "we don't need no clinton let the electoral college bern"

Meaningless but still funny: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/06/3709463/grammar-presidential-candidate-supporters/

The analysis — intended by Grammarly to be “a lighthearted look at how well the 2016 presidential candidates’ supporters write when they’re debating online” — found that, for every 100 words written, an average Democratic candidate supporter made 4.2 mistakes, while an average Republican candidate backer made 8.7 errors. It also asserted that Democratic supporters have larger vocabularies, using 300 unique words for every 1,000 words they use, compared to Republicans who only use only 245 unique words for every 1,000.

http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/06121218/grammar-prez2.jpg

I call foul - no way have Chafee supporters written more than 500-750 words total.

no way are there 500-750 Chafee supporters total

that can be easily explained, frankly

Differences in partisan identification across educational categories have remained fairly stable in recent years, with one exception: Highly-educated people increasingly identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party.

About a third (34%) of those with a college degree or more education identify as Democrats, compared with 24% who identify as Republicans; 39% are independents. In 1992, Republicans held a seven-point lead among those with at least a college degree (34% to 27%), while 37% were independents.

Democrats now hold a 12-point lead (52% to 40%) in leaned party identification among those with at least a college degree, up from just a four-point difference as recently as 2010 (48% to 44%). There has been less change since 2010 in the partisan leanings of those with less education.

Democrats’ Growing Advantage in Party Identification Among Post-GradsCurrently, those who have attended college but have not received a degree lean Democratic 47% to 42%; Democrats hold a 10-point lead in leaned party identification among those with no more than a high school education (47% to 37%).

The Democrats’ wide lead in partisan identification among highly-educated adults is largely the result of a growing advantage among those with any post-graduate experience. A majority (56%) of those who have attended graduate school identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with 36% who align with or lean toward the GOP.

Among those who have received a college degree but have no post-graduate experience, 48% identify as Democrats or lean Democratic, while 43% affiliate with the GOP or lean Republican.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

As I'd suspected, only those with the most tenuous grasp of the English language could possibly hear what Trump's been saying and still support him.

God help us all if we ever get a Repub candidate who primarily communicates via a series of grunts and obscene gestures.

Do you have a vote in the Republican primary? Who would get your vote? I do, and right now I'm leaning toward letting Trump run with it. How's my English?

Your English is entirely acceptable. I am curious about your reasons for leaning toward Trump. Would you mind sharing them?

jindal has opinions about the oregon massacre:

"This killer’s father is now lecturing us on the need for gun control and he says he has no idea how or where his son got the guns," Jindal wrote. "Of course he doesn’t know. You know why he doesn’t know? Because he is not, and has never been in his son’s life. He’s a complete failure as a father, he should be embarrassed to even show his face in public. He’s the problem here."

"He brags that he has never held a gun in his life and that he had no idea that his son had any guns. Why didn’t he know? Because he failed to raise his son. He should be ashamed of himself, and he owes us all an apology," Jindal wrote. "When he was asked what his relationship was with his son, he said he hadn’t seen him in a while because he lived with his mother. Case Closed."

i guess the bright side is that in a year or two he'll be out of the news forever? i'm assuming he'll never be reelected in louisiana since his approval rating is -6% or so (+/- 2.3% margin of error)

kinda hacky piece, but his point bears some weight imo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/10/06/why-hillary-clinton-is-more-progressive-than-bernie-sanders-in-one-sentence/

hey bobby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

bobby digital don't hurt em

that was cold as fucking ice. what a monster.

Especially amazing since the mother, who WAS in his life, and despite knowing of his instability, provided him with quick, easy access to dozens of loaded weapons.

The truth is, I probably should have switched back to Democrat, but after the Iraq War and Bush's reelection I basically checked out of the mainstream political discourse. The Obama campaign did almost nothing for me. I remember watching a presidential debate between Obama and Romney, post-Lehman bankruptcy, and kept waiting for Obama to set the record straight about what created the mess. There was none of that, he was there to win a presidential debate, he wanted to win the election (duh). I don't know, I feel like if Trump was on that stage he would have named names. The truth is, I don't really want a Republican to win! And if Hillary is going to be the Democrat candidate it would at least be fun to see her crush Trump on stage.

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please note I am still undecided and will take recommendations

bobby jindal is cool

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/06/ben-carson-says-he-would-have-been-more-aggressive-against-oregon-gunman/

“Not only would I probably not cooperate with him, I would not just stand there and let him shoot me,” Mr. Carson said, explaining that he would defend his faith at any cost. “I would say: ‘Hey, guys, everybody attack him! He may shoot me but he can’t get us all.'”

these people are, to a man, among the vilest that humanity has to offer.

I remember watching a presidential debate between Obama and Romney, post-Lehman bankruptcy

Most likely that was McCain you remember, not Romney. But thanks for answering. I suspected that your desire to see Trump prevail in the primaries was not also a desire to see Trump win the presidency.

i am so angry i'm shaking.

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Thanks for the correction Aimless. I wonder what Ben Carson thinks about evolutionary psychology.

Bobby Genital

Bobby Jinidal

Ben? Bobby? I'd say that knowing when to keep your fucking mouth shut is a pretty essential quality that anyone running for President should possess.

amst otm, i kind of can't even believe there are people this stupid, let alone people this stupid who have lots and lots of supporters who badly want them to be president

stupid is a charitable word

“I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away,” Mr. Carson wrote.

kinda hacky piece, but his point bears some weight imo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/10/06/why-hillary-clinton-is-more-progressive-than-bernie-sanders-in-one-sentence/

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breathtakingly idiotic piece

brain surgeon

pro-Palestine students ejected from Sanders rally; staffer responsible axed.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/dissent-on-israel-not-permitted-at-bernie-sanders-event/

I assume the "he wants to give gov't benefits to rich people!" is a generous mischaracterization of Sanders...?

xp

er ungenerous