a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

I know polls this early aren't very meaningful, BUT STILL:

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/sanders-outperforms-clinton-general-election-match-ups-ia-nh-n438491

Uh oh, here come the pro buzz killers

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/sanders-outperforms-clinton-general-election-match-ups-ia-nh-n438491

― schwantz, Monday, October 5, 2015 8:07 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, it's possible and not necessarily surprising that Bernie Sanders does perform marginally better with (yankee) white rural people than Hillary Clinton.

Now, how does he do with the urban residents, disproportionately black and hispanic, that make up the vast majority of the democratic party and without whom the current democratic coalition does not win presidential elections?

and if your goal is to expand the democratic party's reach to rural whites, who is better to do that, a brooklyn jew who moved to near-canada new england or a methodist from the most representative state in the nation who lived for nearly two decades in appalachia?

"Yes, it's possible and not necessarily surprising that Bernie Sanders does perform marginally better with (yankee) white rural people than Hillary Clinton."

especially in a libertarian state adjacent to the one he represents

a methodist from the most representative state in the nation who lived for nearly two decades in appalachia?

Hillary's reputation, as established over a couple of decades in the public eye, has no point in common with the portrait you just painted of her. Good luck convincing large numbers of rural whites that this is the 'true' Hillary Clinton.

but what if people vote on the issues, what then

i'll state simply that that is in fact who she is, that it's far too early to say how any candidate is going to be represented by themselves or others in the primary let alone the general electorate, and that however those representations transpire, my essential point stands

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The "urban" residents haven't heard of him yet. Not sure what there is about him that you think will turn them off so much.

As for rural whites, it's not impossible to imagine that a white male with a less-restrictive take on gun control might appeal to them more than Hillary Clinton.

that is in fact who she is

sorry. those may be facts, but they do not constitute a whole.

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― pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Monday, October 5, 2015 9:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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but what if people vote on the issues, what then

― pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Monday, October 5, 2015 9:09 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you mean what if kansas will be healed?

who lived for nearly two decades in appalachia?

I can't tell, are you talking about DC?

http://i.imgur.com/z3KnYCE.gif

not buying mississippi tho

Well neither is Ole Miss apparently.

Those two counties in Tennessee look nothing at all like a penis together, btw. Why would you even bring this up benn?

It is inconceivable to me that any of the current Republicans left will get the nomination, even the most boring/most likely candidate. But of course one of them has to make it through. Who's it going to be? I have no idea. Most of them vs. Clinton or even Sanders ... I don't even know what that would look like.

Anyway, what's going on in Republican land, since one of these morons has to make it?

Also, my wife pointed out that we are still so far out we haven't even hit the point at which Obama entered the race. So, are there any other potential Dems out there besides the usual suspects (like Biden or Gore)? I suppose there's still a minimal chance that Warren could do it - shit happens - but are there any other potentials waiting in the wings? Can't think of many (any?) with any real national exposure, but I'll be the first to admit I haven't thought about this much at all.

Reagan.

Gabbneb benbbag must have confused the Ozarks for the Appalachians. It could happen to anyone not familiar with US geography.

At this point I'm not even sure what pull hologram Reagan would have.

http://www.worldsworsttourist.com/holograms/Reagan1.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e9/90/56/e990561b5c6dbe812976f4cb782b8351.jpg

I know on a gabbneb thread it's easy pretend that everything is silliness, but in fact Obama had declared his candidacy quite a long time before October of 2007.

Yeah, my bad. I'm pretty tired. It was Feb. 2007, which for some reason ... yeah, never mind.

February is the October of the fiscal year that starts on December 1 and there's no July

or something

"I can't tell, are you talking about DC?"

no. i'm not. nor was i using a geographic term.

http://www.colinwoodard.com/files/ColinWoodard_AmericanNations_map.pdf

oh of course

if only you'd said "Greater Appalachia, you know, just east of Tidelands and south of Midlands", we all would have nodded our heads knowingly...

Bill Clinton declared in October 1991, but that may as well have been back during the times candidates sat on their front porches and shot the shit.

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yes, it's much easier for you not to confront the reality that you were wrong. it's not like i've previously referenced the book that produced that map - the book that comes closest to defining the frame i apply to the nation as a whole - at least once explicitly and many many times implicitly, including in reference to german-american identity/culture, throughout my posting in this thread or anything.

not that the description is purely cultural, of course...

"These rocks closely match deformed strata found today in the Marathon Mountains of Texas and the southern Appalachians—strong evidence that the Ouachita-Ozark Highlands were once part of a mighty folded, uplifted mountain range that stretched from the Appalachians Highlands to the northeast through Texas to the southwest.

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By 200 million years ago (Jurassic), Pangea was breaking up in a big way. South America tore away from North America and headed southward. The ocean flooded into the opening between the two continents, forming the Gulf of Mexico. A record of this rifting event remains as an indelible mark on the landscape called Mississippi Embayment. It is this embayment that ripped the dramatic gap between the southern Appalachians and the Ouachita-Ozark Highlands."

http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/parks/province/inthigh.html

but i won't wallowa on such fossil beds

Dude, when someone says "lived in Appalachia," the first reaction of anyone is going to be the geographical area recognized by that name, not some weird map.

Was she a senator from New Netherland or Yankeedom?

interesting that pew got posted upthread. here's another excellent frame from them.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/

compare and contrast within that frame: hillary clinton and bernie sanders (and jeb bush and donald trump)

he's just amusingly backpedaling, hoping we'll all be impressed by the fluidity and grace of his retrograde motility

Dude, "appalachia" is well-recognized to be a cultural descriptor and appalachian culture is well-recognized to be relatively descriptive of ozarkiana.

"Was she a senator from New Netherland or Yankeedom?"

Both, of course, though more popular in the former. She grew up in the Yankee Northern suburbs of a Midlands border city. And Little Rock looks like it's at the edge of the Deep South.

Actually I'm pedaling forward at a high rate of speed, faster than anything in my path

Going off a cliff will do that to a bicyclist.

btw, I took the pew typology quiz in benbbag's link and, typically for me, was quite irritated by the phrasing of most of the choices, which frequently used loaded words and were hopelessly stripped of any kind of nuance. the result, predictably, placed me as a solid liberal, which is fair enough stereotyping in my case, but the quiz itself accurately reflects the poverty and oversimplification of political discourse in the USA and left me quite dissatisfied.

Dude, "appalachia" is well-recognized to be a cultural descriptor and appalachian culture is well-recognized to be relatively descriptive of ozarkiana.

huh? no, appalachia is the region of the country in or near the appalachian mountain range. i know lots of people from tennessee, kentucky, and arkansas and i'm fairly certain 99% of them would agree w/ me on this.

the word you may be looking for is "hillbilly."

i mean "new yorker" obviously has some cultural connotations but you wouldn't say that a guy from pennsylvania was a "new yorker" because he liked pizza and the yankees.

but yeah somebody wrong on internet, not important obv

Just imagining HRC backpacking through appalachia and lol no, i don't think so, lol

Maybe decades ago when every cell in her body was different and she was literally a different person.

Wait is Arkansas in the appalachians? This is the first I've heard of that. Alabama is the furthest west for that my friend.

i mean "new yorker" obviously has some cultural connotations but you wouldn't say that a guy from pennsylvania was a "new yorker" because he liked pizza and the yankees.

― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, October 6, 2015 12:17 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ffs "new yorker" refers to people who live in states where york peppermint patties only became available in 1945 or later. i linked this upthread but apparently you imbeciles can't read. hillary is doing very well among these voters btw.

http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/images/9780252073359.jpg

not that it matters but amateurist otm, vote no Appalachians west of the river imo

if it's any help that colin woodard book is pretty good and beanbag's grasp of it is about as strong as you'd expect