Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

i have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more of these.

― Beatrix Kiddo, den 3 april 2009 20:10 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

feels like we are already?

3 police officers killed in Pittsburgh. The carnage continues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/us/05pittsburgh.html?hp

now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.

― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags

or not, since the shooter was an immigrant. small relief, for some reason.

strange as it sounds, it is possible for immigrants to be xenophobic.

rolling 2008 disgruntled shootings thread

dr phil in behind the times shocker

And so it continues :(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/04/5-children-father-found-d_n_183207.html

guh guys killing their entire family and then themselves is like a fucked up category all its own. and in everyone of these stories there's a neighbor or someone saying "eh, he seemed like a nice guy"

yep, bottling up all that depression and rage away from the neighbors is key to the formula

i am calm in the knowledge that every neighbour i've had thinks i'm a surly asshole

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

― iatee, Monday, March 30, 2009 3:13 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bambuti pygmies

guh guys killing their entire family and then themselves is like a fucked up category all its own.

This is about ownership -- or, even more creepily, a deep-seated belief that your wife and kids are really just extensions of you, and your failure is their failure. Cannot emphasize this enough.

Sure it's a tragedy for all parties but forgive me if I can't find any sympathy for men who emotionally, deep down, believe that kind of thing. "Since I can't care for this thing I created, it is mine to take out of the world when I go."

or, indeed, women.

Sure. But that's a different phenomenon.

i think it's the same dynamic, whether it's fuelled by power (in the cases by father) or despair (as the few high profiles cases involving mothers in ireland have maybe been), though- "you can't go on without me".

now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.

lol

Hmm. Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers -- I don't feel like that's very high-profile here. Seems like...we think mothers kill from post-partum depression or anger/frustration (shaken baby syndrome), but we don't have the ownership thing so much.

Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers

yeah, definitely (ireland). whether that's a reporting thing or otherwise, it's hard to say, but i don't think it would account for all of it (a guy killing his family would still be front page news in a country this size, but i suppose a mother even more so).

It's an interesting question whether it's in the reporting, or in the different societal conceptions of mothers that apply different pressures to people.

The gunman in the Pittshurgh police shooting was apparently one of the Alex Jones/tin hat crowd.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm

Even more charming stuff.

yeah, definitely (ireland)

Is Ireland the only place that has a folk history of songs about infanticide? (OK, I know - a whole different thread but it immediately struck me when I read that.

i dunno, name another? it's definitely a valid subgenre that exists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/world/middleeast/12iraq.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print

Active military gets in on the act.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm

http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11451553

i just hope they kill some cops

sort of deflated that (obviously retarded) argument that if everyone had guns shootings wouldn't be a problem in amurica.

can't be a man without guns, world's a better place with guns ~crosses arms~

*shoots omar in the arms*

it'll take a lot more than that

http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/06/06/20080606_steroiduser2.jpg

america went a relatively long time without this happening

*deflates omar's arms with a safety pin**

cankles, thats a really shitty thing to say.

sssssssss

Fort Hood, near the town of Killeen, is the largest US base in the world.

killeen incidentally the location of the 2nd deadliest shooting spree in US history

killeen spree

I bet, from now on, there will be media races to grab tags like FtHoodShootings.

maybe 3 gunmen now being reported

yeah it's sad that there are people here won't ever accept the proposition that maybe, just maybe there are too many guns in this country

it was on a military base! the argt that there are too many or too few guns in civilian hands is kind of moot. (unless i'm missing some crucial detail to the whole thing) no matter what kind of gun-ownership situation we have, there are going to be some guns at fort hood.

For the most part, no one has guns on a military base outside of MPs and people using them on-duty. Soldiers can register private weapons on base, but they have to be locked up and transported to and from hunting/range without deviation.

surely it doesn't matter where it was- if people have access to guns, eventually someone is going to use them to shoot a bunch of people.

Update 3:36 Fort Hood officials say they cannot confirm whether the shooters were military or civilians.

^^ yeah maybe i spoke too soon.

surely it doesn't matter where it was- if people have access to guns, eventually someone is going to use them to shoot a bunch of people.

... Really? Isn't that like saying "if people have access to knives, eventually someone is going to use them to stab a bunch of people"?

I mean, I am not an advocate of widespread gun access but I am also not an advocate of making up bullshit premises so you can scare people into doing what you want them to do.

yeah i've got fam at ft hood right now

waiting on word

(I would likely support the argument that guns have been desensitized into playthings and we, as a society, have become too irresponsible to be trusted with them as a reason for gun control)

Dan: Yes but at least knives have other uses? Guns can't prepare food, they just kill.

Um... what?

i dunno. i'm all tv-ed out.