Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

xp oh I know, I was looking for a good domain name, not suggesting that the website was in any way effective

right but that's later - gotta get a bill in the House or Senate first. So seems to me the likeliest proposition is to find some rabidly anti-gun legislator (or preferably legislators - from Chicago or New York or Los Angeles or something) that we would lobby to get a repeal bill introduced. And of course they would then have to be in seats that are safe from the NRA.

xxp

Obama gave a pretty good speech btw and was nakedly emotional about his frustration over this. Cut back to studio and Brian Williams immediately called him "angry" so

is Williams on MSNBC now?

yes he's anchoring their breaking news stuff I think

another anchor on MSNBC called obama angry just now (don't know who, listening to the radio)

chris matthews leads show listing shootings with death counts

i.e. VIRGINIA TECH. DEATH COUNT - 32. SANDY HOOK. DEATH COUNT: 28.
bit dramatic and encouraging

how is that encouraging

i think round the clock coverage and guaranteed infamy encourages this shit. but i don't know what the alternative would be, don't cover it? it's silly. this cycle is just fucking absurd

*to be clear - not covering it would be silly. but what's the alternative?

Hayes is airing the speech

It looks like he announced it on 4ch@n yesterday and was encouraged to go through with it.

Goddamnit.

Rumours on twitter that 4ch@n guy ain't the one

*to be clear - not covering it would be silly. but what's the alternative?

Eh maybe not covering it so much. It's not as if any of that information is of any use to people.

"Beware random acts of violence". Great, thanks for the advice, I will do random acts of preparation.

Oh the neighbors didn't suspect they lived next to a mass murderer? Great now I just need to suspect everyone I'm not already suspecting.

The worst is interviewing victims, there must be a special circle of hell next to the murderers these news editors go to.

the shooter's profile at some dating site.

http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

gotta hope this isn't true for a zillion reasons but if he was actually a 4chan guy it certainly seems plausible

latest news aiui is that the shooter was not from Oregon, and did not attend the school

hmm maybe lived in the area for a while? this has the most details locally...

WARNING: fucked up shit

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33566342-75/10-dead-7-injured-in-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-gunman-dead.html.csp

was apparently targeting Christians

i'm on board with repealing the second, also the confiscation and dismantling of all firearms in america

this guy from the seattle times is making too much sense: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/

In one post on the blog about Vester Flanagan, the man who killed the reporter and cameraman in Virginia, Mercer apparently wrote, "I have noticed that so many people like (Flanagan) are alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems like the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."

~makes you think~

Gotta build that brand.

http://i.imgur.com/yrbrqBt.png

hmm maybe lived in the area for a while? this has the most details locally...

WARNING: fucked up shit

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33566342-75/10-dead-7-injured-in-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-gunman-dead.html.csp

That fierce discussion ensnared Hanlin himself on Thursday, when it emerged that the sheriff wrote to Vice President Joe Biden after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting to ask him not to “tamper with or attempt to amend” the Second Amendment and warning that Hanlin and his deputies would not enforce any law they regarded as unconstitutional.

wow. obviously hanlin didn't pull the trigger, but fuck that guy a million times

Amendments that pass are inherently Constitutional, dickwad!

My gun nut ex-girlfriend (from the 90s) is now asking people on fb if they would've denied their Christianity to stay alive, and all these people are responding NO.

wtf I remember from my church days about that being pretty shameful in the eyes of god, denying your faith, but if I'd already seen this guy take out a couple of fellow students I'd become faithless as quickly as possible. This isn't a god testing you. This is a fucking loon with a firearm.

I'm not gonna judge anyone for proclaiming their faith in the face of danger.

I am totally going to judge the culture that created that danger, however.

How long will it take a gop candidate to blame Obama for this war on Christianity? I'm gonna go with huckabee

feel bad that my first thought yesterday was that obama got the indignant speech quickly out of the way and now we can forget about everything again. it's not like he can do anything at this point anyway.

if the govt. can raise the tax on cigarettes from 30 cents to a dollar maybe that's one way of curtailing gun sales? 500 dollar federal tax on a gun. 100 dollar state tax. can they do that? or would it just be some bill that is defeated by gun nut congresspeople?

Chris Rock's ammo bit always seemed pretty on the nose to me.

the whole 'he asked them if they were christian, if yes he pulled trigger, what would you say?' thing emerged with columbine but iirc it emerged to have not really happened in that case. Is the info pretty solid this time that the shooter was really quizzing people?

muddled language there-- basically in the columbine case it was debunked

eyewitness report in the Register-Guard article I linked corroborates that version of events

(fwiw)

this is good too - this guy rushed the shooter, was shot five times, and probably saved a bunch of lives

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/02/forget-oregon-s-gunman-remember-the-hero-who-charged-straight-at-him.html

shooter was also a student at a school for emotionally disturbed/spectrum-y kids in so. cal. so yeah - glad he was able to get a lot of guns.

xpost I get so moved by stuff like that. Like how much clear headedness does it take to not curl up in the fetal position & cry & shit your pants

And just like with Newtown, you have this possible mentally disturbed young adult with easy access to a whole bunch of guns -- this one had three handguns and a rifle on him -- and I just cannot figure out why these families honestly think they needed all these weapons. Because at this point, they've only ever been used for three things: 1) Sitting in a case 2) Target shooting/practice and 3) Killing a bunch of people.

The increasing frequency of #3 means #1 and #2 simply aren't good enough reasons to allow people to own these things anymore. Ban them all. Collect them up, destroy them, deploy all the drug war shit against ending firearm trafficking.

xpost That's amazing, I'm always impressed by guys out of the service, or off-duty, who still step up to protect other people. Like the guys on the train in Belgium, too. I don't know if going into battle makes you a hero, but this kind of intervention sure does. Where's the button to donate to him?

It takes quite a bit of clear headedness, VG, but your two best choices are also the most commonly taken; you either get scarce (run or hide), or else try to negate the source of the danger. If all our ancestors had instinctively curled into a fetal position, we would not be here.

xp there's a gofundme for him.

wtf I remember from my church days about that being pretty shameful in the eyes of god, denying your faith, but if I'd already seen this guy take out a couple of fellow students I'd become faithless as quickly as possible.

In my Hebrew school we were taught pretty clearly that life is the highest value, and if somebody had a gun on you and said "eat this bacon and swear fealty to Jesus or I'll kill you," you eat the bacon and you kneel before Jesus, period.

the whole 'he asked them if they were christian, if yes he pulled trigger, what would you say?' thing emerged with columbine but iirc it emerged to have not really happened in that case. Is the info pretty solid this time that the shooter was really quizzing people?

― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon),

Dave Cullen's book is definitive imo

read an underground comic when i was a kid about about a boy bullied and asked to deny his faith and finally the bullies just beat him to death and on the sidewalk before he dies he writes in his own blood: i am a christian.

i never forgot that one. i want to say it was a howard cruse comic? but i can't remember.