a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

oh then twitter people should stfu

like, ignore them completely, good move Bernie!

oh then twitter people should stfu

Generally, yes.

If we are going to judge candidates on the horrible things their followers say on twitter then it's gonna get messy pretty quick...

And Sanders would still lose.

I'm game to support Bernie for as long as he can hang in.

at the same time sanders is having far more success than previous candidacies of his kind managed

I don't think this is true at all (surely gabbneb will weigh in with some critical stats next Saturday) but even if it was, there's no way he's winning the nomination, treating him as anything other than the usual noise in the system is a waste of energy imo. I wish the Democrats had better candidates than Hilz and Sanders this time around, but they don't and the likelihood of one appearing at this late juncture is basically zero.

IF the following two things are true, a) that bernie has alarmingly low name-recognition among black and hispanic democrats (not even approval, just mere recognition), b) that the political mediascape is increasingly social, which has fueled both bernie and the GOP's outsider frontrunners, and c) there is an emerging set of young black leadership that is near-unimaginable w/o social media, centered in #BLM, THEN the antagonism between #feelthebern and #BLM is an enormous political liability for bernie that can't really be laughed off as just some twitter shittalk

maybe it's not "his fault" but so what

he's done a few things to try to address the gap but as an elderly socialist from vermont he should have had that gap in mind from day 0. really demonstrates a bad read on the state of the party he's trying to lead.

the likelihood of one appearing at this late juncture is basically zero

We kind of already know what's out there. Even if a Biden or a Warren were to hop in, they're already known quantities. There's just no one else out there right now.

"there is no one else"

^quote by Rob (Meathead) Reiner about Hollywood Democrats and the inevitability of H Rodham from a NY Times story about 18 months ago.

I would vote for Gore, but it's so not gonna happen. Biden = No. Warren more useful in the Senate. The rest = blech

I am over here at my cubicle applauding goole's post like a crazy person

Ditto, except for that he said "two things" and then listed three.

btw I know exactly one person irl (a gay asian Canadian coworker) who is *super-excited* about Hillary

really demonstrates a bad read on the state of the party he's trying to lead.

fingers crossed for a sex scandal

And Sanders would still lose.

I am not voting for who is likely to win if I wanted to do that I would bet corporate every time.

It's an election for who would do the best job. Not who is going to score more points. It's not a football game. I'm not gambling on horses here. Though I am smelling a lot of manure.

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a liberal black friend at lunch a couple days ago: "I want to support Bernie, but he's acting already as if I must support him, the unspoken assumption being that if I don't I support Hillary and the Republicans."

"better the condescending Goldman Sachs sack of shit you know..."

sachs of shit, i meant

Basically, anyone who comes at me with "Bernie is your only option, you HAVE to vote for him to be a Good Black Person" is going to make me campaign for Hillary out of sheer spite.

Adam Bruneau nicely proving the point that Sanders' supporters are kinda assholes.

"I want to support Bernie, but he's acting already as if I must support him, the unspoken assumption being that if I don't I support Hillary and the Republicans."

how is bernie acting like this, without using words? has he been playing charades on Ustream?

I think my friend was uncomfortable with the progressive coronation of Bernie without feeling as if he, my friend, were part of it.

I'm sure you've all seen this in you fb feed, but it's still pretty damning:
http://images.elephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/imgur.jpg

So supporting Sanders makes you a kinda-asshole? WTF?

that would be crappy rhetoric, djp, especially when Lupe Fiasco is the ideal (if slightly under the mandated age) first choice

don't all candidates act/speak as if you'd be best off supporting them?

the majority of Sanders' money has come from people that do not have money, yes

LOL unions are poor - what a bunch of losers.

like let's be real, half of the Clinton money is coming from interests that donate to any candidate they see as "viable," to the extent that they donate to both sides of the aisle

those same unions will back the democrat regardless!

I haven't gone down the whole list, either -- did any of the unions also donate to Clinton's campaign? they could have donated an equal or even greater amount

Point is Sanders won't take money from GS, etc, not that Hillary won't take money from Unions.

The point is that with Super PACs, he never will have to. The advertisements will run regardless.

I mean, it is a noble thing to not take those donations, but that money is going to get spent in his name, regardless.

wait, goldman sachs is bankrolling a pro-sanders super PAC? link? what's their stake there again?

In the primaries?

No, I meant in the general election, should he get the nomination

lol I figured that was obvious but when I didn't type it I figured I'd be quickly called out

LOL unions are poor - what a bunch of losers.

You speak as if "unions" were a few wealthy individual instead of the aggregate of millions of individually not-wealthy individuals who each give a small amount. Get one brane.

(was being sarcastic)

always a great idea!

lol

I know there's always a race on these threads to see who can be the most cynical, but I'm not getting this one. If Bernie got the nom, he'd (apparently?) get the same Dem super-PAC money, he'd definitely pull in the minority vote (not saying he should just expect it or anything, and he clearly hasn't done that) since the GOP is painting itself into a more and more racist corner, and he'd energize a bunch of people who are sick of corporate politics. In addition, he doesn't have the baggage of the Clintons. I know he has his issues (he's a socialist), but this whole thing where people proclaim him unelectable sounds like 2008 all over again.

Democratic Party's had challenger(s) from the left in every presidential primary of my lifetime, it's a time honored tradition. For me it's not a question of whether or not he's electable as much as I just don't think he'll win the nomination - Clinton has a wider, more deeply entrenched swathe of support, she has the money, she has the party leaders, etc. And Sanders won't win any southern primaries against her, after that it'll be over for him. He will probably push Hillary's rhetoric to the left - he already has done so as far as I can tell - which is eh, okay. Coming from her it's safe to assume it's just rhetoric.

I don't think he's unelectable just because of his political positions, being 'a socialist' doesn't help but it's not nearly as bad as the way he comes across as a candidate. hollywood couldn't cast a better stereotypical cranky jewish college professor. e warren would have been a different story. despite literally being a cranky college professor and having positions essentially as left-wing as sanders, she's just so much more personable on camera.

he maybe he coulda got an accent coach

minus first he

Adam Bruneau nicely proving the point that Sanders' supporters are kinda assholes.

― Frederik B, Monday, September 28, 2015 2:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dude wtf. Since you've decided that is what I am shouldn't it be ME personally attacking you?