a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

They trotted Biden out for that embarrassing Global Citizen concert today, to try to take some of that sweet young stuff from Uncle Bernie.

How about all this Valerie Jarrett leaking Hillary emails stuff? Other than to destroy HRC, what's the endgame here, do the DNC's bidding and bump her for Joe?

Bernie: White Liberals Like Him! (myself included)

But guess what, fools, white people have voted Republican in all but one of every election for the past 50 years, and Bill got them by just a single point plurality in '96. Unless and until he can a) get the attention of, b) get the trust of, and c) inspire Obama/Clinton-level turnout among blacks and hispanics who I'm sorry do not respond to a message about "income inequality" that resonates most with people like you (and me) - the highly-educated and otherwise relatively privileged but underpaid (or so our privilege insists) - a vote for Bernie is a vote for Jeb or whoever the backup plan turns out to be.

luckily for me i live in NY so i don't need to get out there to decide a close one

I mean, not that the gentry vs the aristocracy isn't a noble cause, but it's not exactly your ideal sales pitch to a much wider electorate

inspire Obama/Clinton-level turnout among blacks and hispanics who I'm sorry do not respond to a message about "income inequality" that resonates most with people like you (and me)

agree that any dem nom will need voters of color in late numbers, but disagree that Sanders talking about income inequality is not the right message. Considering who is most affected by racial pay gaps, it's a very strong message. Clinton has almost 25 years of campaigning and name recognition to her credit. Sanders, at least for most folks, just got here.

Yeah, if Sanders was actually campaigning against 'racial pay gaps', that would be a strong message.

Oh good its our weekly gabbneb shit dump

yeah NdGT seems like a really smart chill guy who would make a great vice president

guess what, fools!

Ta-nehisi Coates for veep. Though only if he'd still have time to write Black Panther.

Oh good its our weekly gabbneb shit dump
--Οὖτις

(Thought it was just me ;) I liked his "people like you" most-seems nice

fools,

even though german-americans are lost now that they can no longer vote for their favorite son barack obama in a presidential election, they can always hold his proclamation close to their hearts:

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim October 6, 2014, as German-American Day. I encourage all Americans to learn more about the history of German Americans and reflect on the many contributions they have made to our Nation.

who could forget those tense early november nights in 2008 and 2012, wandering the beer halls of pennsylvania and southeastern missouri, almost all discussions centered on the upcoming election: "it is our duty as german-americans to support barack obama. after all, he is 3.7% german according to research compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner at http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html. we should keep in mind, however, that Reitwiesner's material on the immediate ancestry of Barack Obama should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative, but rather as a first draft."

More like first draught, amirite

From a friend:

In addition to predicting the Cubs winning the World Series in 2015, after watching Back to the Future II I am convinced that rich casino owner future past timeline Biff is Donald Trump, and that 1985 would be the future timeline if he is elected. Even Biff's comb over was similar, just exchange "loser" for "butthead"

It never occurred to me before, but surely they had Trump in mind when creating Future Biff?

"Considering who is most affected by racial pay gaps, it's a very strong message. "

Neither they nor anyone else is talking much about "racial pay gaps", they're talking about "income inequality" (or to put it a way I wouldn't "all incomes matter") and it's a message that is resonating primarily with higher-income or at least high-education-level voters. Doesn't mean it couldn't broaden later, but that simply is not the lens through which most downscale democratic voters view things, and perhaps rightly so - they're not being paid unequally for equivalent work, they aren't being employed in equivalent work, whether as a matter of race or education/training or geography (the globalization/red-state-ization of manufacturing work through race to the bottom labor standards). Moreover, as with the upper end of the spectrum, the issue is one of assets as much as income (not that they aren't linked). It's not a well-targeted message as a matter of politics and perhaps policy as well.

ive never given a shit if the candidate i support can be elected, and that may change only in that i probly don't see the point of voting next year.

ie leave the political chinstroking to the benbbags of the world

beanbag, i'm not sure i quite get where you're going with this. i'm not really seeing where the "income inequality" message has been primarily cast as an "equal pay for equal work" type deal (although certainly sanders is bringing up the male/female pay gap in this regard)... rather it's been more your 99%/1% math, we're underpaid and they're overpaid, where has all the money gone, thirty years ago you could get a good job and make good money, now you can't, raise the minimum wage, etc. etc.... i mean i would not be surprised if the high-income educated liberals you're talking about are really supportive of raising the minimum wage, but obviously it's not a bread-and-butter issue for them.

that's not btw to say that the issue IS resonating as much with lower-income voters, or that it "should" be, just i'm not sure what you're talking about.

What exactly is HRC or the other 'real' Dem candidates proposing that helps minorities? When BLM activisits confronted her about actual harmful policies her husband helped put into place her reaction was to shrug it off and deflect the conversation.

Sanders' platform addressing income inequality is not aimed solely at this imagined strawman of wealthy educated white etc. Free tuition for all means free tuition across the board. Demilitarizing our police forces will help everyone who they serve, which includes everybody in America. Restoring provisions of the Voting Rights Act. Making Election Day a federal holiday. Ending for-profit prisons. Pay equity for women. Preventing employers from discriminating against criminal history. Affordable childcare. Etc. Etc. How are these in any way solely targeting wealthy educated strawmen?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

HRC is offering a bigger chance of winning and a bigger base in congress to do whatever she wants to do / defend against vetos. Sanders is offering warm air, calibrated mostly to resonate with wealthy educated strawmen.

I wonder if the DLC is paying gabbnebb for his weekly street team work here every saturday

I have a good friend, born and raised in Denmark, but family from Uganda. He is in New York, talked to him on facebook, shocked to discover how low Sanders polls with black people (4% in South Carolina in latest yougov poll). Everyone he talks to supports Sanders. I was surprised to hear that as well.

shocked to discover how low Sanders polls with black people

you were shocked, or your NY based friend was shocked?

They do media blackouts for a reason. Because they work.

to do whatever she wants to do

Sounds like a great platform she has.

So glad the amateur political scientists are here to school us all.

So wait Danish people (of Uganda descent or no) are shocked that months before anyone except a few political nerds is really paying attention to the Democratic primary that a heretofore relatively low profile Vermont Senator is not well known among many groups of people. Does not take much I guess.

Lol adam

update: denmark is still reeling from reports of americans expressing confusion or no opinion on roland emmerich's 2016 space alien sequel independence day: resurgence. clearly the movie is going to be a huge bomb, but why?! how could this happen?! we could check back when the trailer comes out, but i mean, why bother.

Amazing that a person who's husband was president and has been also in national politics for 20+ years is more well known than the senator of Vermont.

I wonder if the DLC is paying gabbnebb for his weekly street team work here every saturday

― Οὖτις, Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:20 PM (46 minutes ago)

just gabbneb or every other hillary fatalist itt?

HRC is offering a bigger chance of winning and a bigger base in congress to do whatever she wants to do / defend against vetos. Sanders is offering warm air, calibrated mostly to resonate with wealthy educated strawmen.

― Frederik B, Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:18 PM (50 minutes ago)

you don't say

"whatever she wants to do" = drones on Americans who voted for Sanders in primaries

What I object to is that somehow in Bernie's case it is seen as a weakness. Just seems like singling him out for something every candidate does, often blatantly, because of his economic focus. As if appealing to wealthy educated wouldn't help any presidential candidate who wanted to be treated well by the national media. As if HRC was not a millionaire Yale graduate. Do you think the poor, uneducated are funding/doing these polls?

again, most ppl who vote do not FOLLOW politics blow-by-blow. They have a few months to hear of Sanders.

If someone wants to point out a time when Sanders blatantly did some quid pro quo for a private company or screwed over the public good then by all means put up a link. I agree this is stuff we should be aware of.

About polling, I have as much faith in that as I do a third Bush presidency.

We won't know if Sanders' campaign theme of "income inequality" does or doesn't resonate with voters of color until after Iowa and New Hampshire are out of the way. Two whiter states would be hard to find. That would make South Carolina the first battleground for non-white votes and Clinton is going to play well there. However, it is traditional for presidential candidates to tailor their message to suit whatever part of the country they are campaigning in. Bernie has more than enough time to sharpen his message between now and next March. So far, Clinton's only clear message is: I am Hillary Clinton.

Just dusted off this 1987 Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQWXaH4kTs8

Same guy, yet not, totally surreal. Especially his absolute refusal to divulge his net worth.

Actually in this one, around 16 min in Trump starts sounding like current Trump, less blustery but subbing Japan for China before he supports George Bush, but still familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmNN2MCJ-7U

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/news/a36707/back-to-the-future-2-donald-trump-biff-tannen/

jfc @ "a vote for Bernie is a vote for Jeb" and "HRC is offering a bigger chance of winning and a bigger base in congress to do whatever she wants to do"

i guess it was only a matter of time till the "realists" showed up

we could've created this thread in 2000

I wonder if the DLC is paying gabbnebb for his weekly street team work here every saturday

― Οὖτις, Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:20 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wonder if you realize that the DLC hasn't existed for more than 4 years, that I've never identified with that organization in any respect (though i have supported a number of quote-unquote new democrats, whether or not allied and especially in the wake of reagan, for one or another reason including my preference for electing democrats over republicans, a preference apparently not always shared by many on the left), that bill clinton, my second or third choice in 1992 until he became undeniable, was never entirely a DLC guy and, like his veep 8 years later, served up a good deal of economic populism, that I supported populist Howard Dean, who was attacked by the DLC, until he fell apart in 2004, that i supported obama over hillary in 2008, and that you've completely failed to address the substance of my remarks.

i like nearly all kinds of democrats to one degree or another, bernie sanders very much included, even though i don't like his lining up with the NRA against the Brady Bill or with Ted Cruz against reauthorization of the Export-Import bank (or with "DLC" Mickey Kaus against open borders), but i actually recognize that this is not simply a democratic country in which the primary decides the president, and as long as we're sufficiently divided that victory in a national election is in serious doubt, i'm not interested in taking unnecessary and possibly stupid risks.

i admit i hadn't "realized" that bill clinton, the guy who gave us NAFTA and deregulation of radio and wall street, was really "serving up a good deal of economic populism."

Both quotes you say 'jfc' at, J.D. was made in order to explain why minorities might not be as enthused by Sanders as white liberals. And yeah, minorities are often 'realists', but they're also the one who'd be hurt the most if Dems lose white house to racist clowns through gambling on the septenugarian socialist from one of the whitest states. imo Sanders is a bit too rightwing and reactionary.

Clinton was chair of the DLC.