Should Pope Francis sell the family jewels?

It's a compassionate action so it's preferable to all the crossplay.

xp more like POP francis

do you believe in magic, darraghmac?

we're gonna need to sit down and strictly define some terms here imo

http://cdnph.upi.com/sv/b/i/UPI-3161360593182/2013/11/13605984522532/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-The-best-pope-memes-so-far.jpg

well looks like the K Davis thing has awakened NPR liberals to the fact that il papa ain't one of them

normally would never link to one of slate's "here's why conventional wisdom is wrong" pieces, but i thought this article actually did a decent job of putting the pope's views in the context of non-u.s. catholic opinion and the history of catholic leftism:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/pope_francis_in_the_united_states_why_he_isn_t_the_liberal_rock_star_american.html

Perhaps he could hold some views that you like and some that you don't. You know, consider him a complex human being rather than an on/off switch for your own worldview. Nah, impossible.

tbh there's something a bit rich about american liberals criticizing the pope over his failure in this one particular department considering that barack obama and hillary clinton both opposed same-sex marriage till three years ago.

Davis thing is a little odd, since when are evangelicals down with the papists

I guess they love Santorum...

This is like discovering that the pope is catholic.

Personally, I appreciate the fact that, although Francis accepts the prevailing dogmas about abortion, contraception and homosexuality, he has taken steps to de-emphasize them as important issues for the church, as compared to pursuing its primary mission of compassion for the poor, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and charity toward all. This strikes me as the most sensible path he could take, given that changing those dogmas would be highly unrealistic. He might have a bit of wiggle room on ordination for women and marriage for priests, but that would result in fighting a civil war inside the church.

tbh there's something a bit rich about american liberals criticizing the pope over his failure in this one particular department considering that barack obama and hillary clinton both opposed same-sex marriage till three years ago.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.

pretty sure I and many others criticized HRC (those initials are so perfect) and Obama for this too

Not only is Aimless OTM, but any other view is childish.

a jesuit tries to make sense of the papal visit with davis, somewhat apologetically

http://papalvisit.americamedia.org/2015/09/30/the-pope-and-kim-davis-seven-points-to-keep-in-mind/

davis's lawyers recently had to fess up that no, a picture taken of a massive prayer rally in peru was NOT held in kim davis's honor, so, it's really not surprising that they are telling us to treat this as a full papal endorsement

xp dude knows how to close strong: Meeting with the pope is a great honor, but it does not betoken a blanket blessing on “everything” one does. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Pope Francis also met Mark Wahlberg, and that does not mean that he liked “Ted.”

Davis an insignificant 15-minute troll everyone will forget about by next year. GOP/evangelicals are hyping her up out of futile desperation. Pope's just trying to stay current.

What is he supposed to do "I cast you DOOOOOWWWN!!!"

burn her at the stake maybe

seriously, these people are inveterate liars.

davis's lawyers recently had to fess up that no, a picture taken of a massive prayer rally in peru was NOT held in kim davis's honor, so, it's really not surprising that they are telling us to treat this as a full papal endorsement

― goole, Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:47 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

an insignificant 15-minute troll everyone will forget about by next year

this season's terry schiavo

to be fair to Schiavo, she had no idea she was being used for trollbait

Personally, I appreciate the fact that, although Francis accepts the prevailing dogmas about abortion, contraception and homosexuality, he has taken steps to de-emphasize them as important issues for the church, as compared to pursuing its primary mission of compassion for the poor, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and charity toward all. This strikes me as the most sensible path he could take, given that changing those dogmas would be highly unrealistic. He might have a bit of wiggle room on ordination for women and marriage for priests, but that would result in fighting a civil war inside the church.

this is how i feel FWIW. like anyone else the pope is operating within constraints. we shouldn't expect him to toss off his robes and shout "abortions for /everyone/!," and even if he did, it wouldn't be nearly as useful as using his (literal!) pulpit to call for economic justice, action on climate change. that doesn't mean the pope and the church are above criticism, far from it. but that we need to take these things in context, and here the context is the long history of the catholic church, the divided nature of the church itself (with congregations outside of north america being very passionate about economic justice and very conservative on many personal liberties), and the approach taken by previous popes (say "previous popes" a few times really fast btw; it's fun!).

reactions to the pope's visit have been a good litmus test btw of how good my facebook, etc. friends are at political nuance. a lot of them are like "SAVE US MR POPE!" and others are like "RELIGION BAD!"

really the only people who should be surprised are TV pundits

by etc. i guess i mean, like, in real life. which is often the same group as my facebook friends. but i'm not very social so most of the political "conversations" i have (apart from those with my S.O.) are online.

"Why should we care what he thinks" is my a numb-brained response I see from a good number of left-ish fb friends.

Charles Piece, normally not a credulous sort but a Catholic nonetheless, takes this rather hard.

whoa, that is way too inside baseball for me.

to cut to the chase -- does it seem that the pope actually endorsed kim davis's actions or did he just meet with her and her followers/exploiters are spinning it that way?

If you are down w meeting world leaders who are actively killing/torturing people then meeting w a crazy lady that thinks God is giving her carte blanche to not do her job is small potatoes.

Raul Castro is a worse person than Kim Davis, I told a co-worker over lunch.

lol @ W.C. fields reference though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41SFTn9xHus

fast-forward to 3:45 or so

Raul Castro is a worse person than Kim Davis, I told a co-worker over lunch.

Obama etc etc

Davis thing is a little odd, since when are evangelicals down with the papists

Weird little inversion of the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend principle on a global interfaith stage.

No, Obama is not my coworker.

https://historicallyanimated.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/7bfa6-rimshot.jpg?w=335&h=251

It's like when you hang with your dad, he's cool with your friends, shares books, and he drops the n word.

to cut to the chase -- does it seem that the pope actually endorsed kim davis's actions or did he just meet with her and her followers/exploiters are spinning it that way?

― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:39 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the only statement from a party thats not kim davis or her retarded lawyers is the vatican confirming that they had a meeting

although the pope and his handlers should be smart enough to know that even a meeting w/ the pope will be construed as a kind of endorsement and so perhaps they meant it to appear that way. who knows...

i mean a meeting with this particular person. obviously a meeting w/, say, castro or putin isn't necessarily going to be spun that way by most folks.

maybe speculating too far here, but it also occurred to me that the meeting with Davis might have also included others and that the Pope might not have even necessarily known he was specifically meeting with her, and/or may not have known who she was in advance.

I would totally not put it past some well-connected GOP heavy to invite Davis to a meeting and pull a fast one in that way

so basically it's like this, only instead of selling a cell phone they're selling "kim davis, champion of personal liberty"

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/02/david-ortiz-selfie-distributed-with-help-samsung/s2tU35cVQJYMeI6FMXspOJ/story.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/30/444671535/kim-davis-and-pope-francis-reportedly-had-a-private-meeting-in-dc

"On his flight back to Rome, the pope was asked during a press conference if he would support government officials who say they cannot in good conscience discharge their duties — for example, issuing same sex marriage licenses.

"Without referring to Kim Davis, the pope said conscientious objection is a right that is part of every human right."

except she is not that

http://www.cruxnow.com/papal-visit/2015/09/30/what-it-means-that-pope-francis-met-kim-davis/

except she is not that

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius),

a human?

Lol