a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Sure, but not this decade, and he was running as an 'outsider' candidate. Which is ridiculous and hilarious, but that was still what he was pushing.

So Huckabee's an outsider too. And Jeb!.

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walker implosion is so wonderful and still surprising to me (he'd built the base of support, he had the money supporters, he was palatable to tea party, evangelicals, and the establishment), but it's not unprecedented - libby dole and dan quayle had years of beltway speculation over their presidential aspirations w/ dole in particular seen as a potential future of the party and then were never serious contenders and dropped out before the primaries, phil gramm was possible the third most powerful and important person in the party then flopped in iowa and dropped out before new hampshire, paul laxalt was one of reagan's best friends and a powerful member of senate leadership and dropped out in august 87, alabama lost to ole miss last night, these things happen.

i think the 88 election was where i first became familiar w/ the phrase 'the lesser of two evils' and boy did you hear it everywhere

You can't call a former Speaker of the House a Washington outsider, no more than you could call Huck or Jeb outsiders even though they haven't been governors since 2006.

They all hate the government so much they want a lifetime job in it.

Walker recalls Pawlenty, too, at least in how (presumably) quick their exits were. I guess they were different in how they presented themselves: allegedly big, tough Walker vs. nice-guy Pawlenty.

all just to torpedo it and say "seeee? i told you it doesn't work"

stop hitting yourself, America.

xp

pawlenty was never that big a hero to the movement and had never actually led the race or even come close

Other big-build/sudden-flop examples who imploded so quickly we tend to forget they happened: Wesley Clark, Fred Thompson.

newt stayed in dc, did crazy think tank work, and appeared on fox news frequently (after all, he is one of the gop's leading intellectuals), he did the same circuits the rest of these assholes do. he wasn't jerry brown circa 92.

Washington outsider thing goes hand-in-hand w these clowns complaining about the lamestream media while they are on TV constantly promoting themselves.

Graham (to fey),

giving an impression of vague unworldliness.
"his mother was a strange, fey woman"
having supernatural powers of clairvoyance.
SCOTTISH
fated to die or at the point of death.
"now he is fey, he sees his own death, and I see it too"

???

clark and thompson were more cavalry candidates that were somehow gonna swoop in and change everything. there are severe drawbacks to waiting too long to enter a race and those candidates didn't have the campaigning skills to overcome it. trump is kiiinda that type of candidate only he wasn't drafted like those guys (at least not by the establishment/press), had his own money which negates alot of the weakness of a late announcement, and had a message that resonated (so he's more of a perot, with a similar half-life). feel like biden if he enters or cuomo if he'd entered in 92 are a different kind of candidate; rick perry probably appeared to be that kind of candidate - i saw so so many perry bumper stickers in fall of 2011 - but then his poor campaigning skills made him more of a clark/thompson (though in his case it was more being astonishingly dumb than astonishingly dull)(plus soft on immigration).

agree w/ jclc, lindsey graham is worldly and immortal

You can't call a former Speaker of the House a Washington outsider, no more than you could call Huck or Jeb outsiders even though they haven't been governors since 2006.

I'm not sure whether I'm being particularly unclear or you're being particularly obtuse: I'm aware and saying that it's a ridiculous claim, but it's still an angle he was pushing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYl8s6VXYpA

xxp, thought it was "fey", i guess it's "fay"?
"too", not "to" in any case

xxp, thought it was "fey", i guess it's "fay"?

Definition of fay in English:
noun

literary
A fairy.
EXAMPLE SENTENCES
Origin

Late Middle English: from Old French fae, faie, from Latin fata 'the Fates', plural of fatum (see fate). Compare with fairy.

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"he sounds like a homosexual"

fancy that

anything me catch the kids' table debate? Lindsey was drunk, right?

*anyone

"I'm not sure whether I'm being particularly unclear or you're being particularly obtuse: I'm aware and saying that it's a ridiculous claim, but it's still an angle he was pushing."

and we're saying it's ridiculous to describe him as a "non-governmental" candidate, given not only that he isn't known for anything other than having been speaker of the house, and wasn't regarded as "non-governmental" (whatever that means) by anyone. rather, he was regarded if anything else as the southern once-baptist redneck candidate in the race against a starchy northern mormon, a prudish mid-atlantic catholic, and a weirdo german-american libertarian who endorsed third-party candidates of the far left as well as right in 2008.

"Dukakis was a poor candidate -- the worst Dem of my lifetime after Al Gore"

by "poor", you mean the equivalent of "fey", right? or were you suggesting that either of these were the dumbest candidate? the one with the poorest ideas? the least vision? the fewest accomplishments?

Dukakis was not the "worst" candidate, he was the only candidate whose wife a national news anchor suggested might get raped, and the only top of ticket candidate who the other campaign suggested had been treated for mental illness, and he was treated with such undignified disrespect because he belonged to an ethnic group representing just 1 in 250 americans. nevertheless, he got 100 more electoral votes than walter mondale, and won two states John kerry didn't.

also, al gore won the only national election he ran in, against the protege of the guy who ran the campaign that beat dukakis.

nope, to anglo southerners, and german mid-/mountain-westerners, [kasich] looks czech-croatian. not that they actually think that, of course, but subconsciously, he does not strike them as one of their own.

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not my milieu, of course, but "evangelical" ≠ right-wing fundamentalist, necessarily, and in particular is descriptive of a lutheran denomination that predominates in the not-infrequently-lefty upper midwest.

gabb u are nuts & no member of the ELCA confuses themselves with an "evangelical" ever ever

your phrenological mind-reading of the upper midwest is the weirdest shit

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Al Gore should easily have been able to avoid having the election stolen from him, given the 8 years of Fake Peace and Prosperity purveyed by the administration he was a part of.

not my milieu, of course, but "evangelical" ≠ right-wing fundamentalist, necessarily, and in particular is descriptive of a lutheran denomination that predominates in the not-infrequently-lefty upper midwest.

I...what?

the conservative lutheran denominations, distinct from the mainline one with "evangelical" in its name, have midwestern states in their names. weird, huh.

there are lefty strains of evangelical or american non-denominational christianity, i gather sojourners magazine is the place to keep up w/ them

https://twitter.com/hashtag/AskTrump

Dukakis was not the "worst" candidate, he was the only candidate whose wife a national news anchor suggested might get raped, and the only top of ticket candidate who the other campaign suggested had been treated for mental illness, and he was treated with such undignified disrespect because he belonged to an ethnic group representing just 1 in 250 americans.

and he couldn't respond like a pissed off human being in any one of those scenarios.

Evangelical Christianity is a specific thing having to do with the "getting saved" conversion experience and the personalized nature of the supposed relationship with Jesus Christ as a figure (it's basically a mystery cult fwiw), which personalization allows you to interpret scripture any way you want because Jesus told you so. I'm sure there are lefty Evangelicals somewhere but I never knew any. Eventually they're gonna come back to that "taking the Bible literally" problem and you're gonna hit a wall.

walker out, supposedly

i barely know er

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byeeeee

we'll always have jindal

"NEXT!"

amazing karl, one of the best ones imo xp

a guy who was bald because he hit his head once not because he was actually bald will never lead this nation

yeah karl you have been operating at a very high level with those

he is an inspiration! ;)

a guy who was bald because he hit his head once not because he was actually bald will never lead this nation

lol is this true?! cuz it just makes me think

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whoah lol hueg sorry

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/walkers-bald-spot-becomes-topic-in-hotly-contested-race-b99376914z1-280251172.html

The Wisconsin State Journal reported last week that Walker got to talking with cartoonist Phil Hands after a meeting with the newspaper's editorial board. Walker told Hands that he accurately draws the hairless spot on the crown of his head.

Walker went on to say he was fixing something in the kitchen — he doesn't say when — and hit his head on the cabinet. His wife, Tonette, repeatedly urged him to see a doctor, and when he finally did he was told his head would not be growing hair anymore in that area. He said Tonette cited this as proof that it's best to listen to your wife.

lots of gems in there

I may be moving beyond schadenfreude and into weinenfreude

Saw at least one old large "I support Walker" yard sign from the recall campaign while motoring thru Central Wisconsin last week, along the highway you see all the pro-lifer billboards and Amish Crossing signs

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