a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Goddamit, how do you post a Vine loop?

ilx wont embed vines

(but it should)

http://giant.gfycat.com/AdolescentEvergreenElephantbeetle.gif

lol

i jumped back a little bit

https://media.giphy.com/media/l41lGydeN1fV0Z5Ic/giphy.gif

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-yob-rich-beeson-bar-punch

honestly this is exactly what I've been hoping for from this primary season

"I am hereby calling on Marco Rubio to fire Rich Beeson effective immediately"

duel at dawn or gtfo, cuckservatives

anyone post about Trump responding to guy who wants to 'get rid of' Muslims? Even Trump seemed a little taken aback, he gave a typically generic non-answer but even more so, if that makes sense.

I did here last night. According to Chris Hayes and a reporter, he ran out of the building instead of lingering as usual.

lol he did not seem taken aback at all and said "we need this question" and "we will be looking into a lot of things" and later tweeted that christians are treated like shit in this country

I didn't notice he was taken aback, not like McCain was.

xpost

Compare-contrast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U

yea the mccain thing is a very good contrast (but even that was totally fucked, lol "he's an arab" "no he's a decent family man")

I didn't give McCain then any points for doing what my loud neighbor would have said as a courtesy.

the curve one grades US pols on now runs lower than the Lincoln Tunnel

"You know our current president is one. You know he's not even an American."

Another poll this month pegged the number of Republicans overall who think Obama is a Muslim at 54 percent — higher than the 43 percent in the CNN poll. As we wrote, that figure was likely inflated. But it's also clear that a very significant portion of the GOP holds this view. And that's been the case unabated for years. (CNN's numbers are also on the high end historically, which could mean this perception is on the rise or simply that this poll is a little different.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/18/a-trump-questioner-called-obama-a-muslim-which-a-majority-of-trump-backers-believe/

Anything to distract from the fact that they worship the guy that pumped hundreds of millions of dollars directly to the mujahideen.

I wonder if in that actual plane Reagan signed off some arms to go to Bin Laden that would be pretty ironic.

the cake that Bud McFarlane took to the "moderate Iranian middlemen" was baked in there iirc

those kind of polls look horrifying but are generally meaningless, they're more effectively a measurement of how many ppl in the opposition party really really disapprove of the president then how many ppl believe whatever lunacy, cf bizarrely high numbers of democrats that would answer bush did 9/11 during his administration. although in this case i suspect the number who sincerely believe is higher if only cuz so many americans and esp so many republicans know fuck all about islam. i bet if the theory had gotten more press and the question had been polled a lot of republicans would've answered yes to did hillary kill vince foster.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/sources-scott-walkers-donors-are-circulating-rumor-about-cam#.heL9xdz46

Carly Fiorina's Dad worked for Nixon and later did this:

Sneed was part of a three-judge panel that replaced Whitewater special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske with Kenneth Starr in 1994.

waaaaht

rags to riches

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/18/top-rand-paul-aide-accuses-top-rubio-aide-of-punching-him-in-the-face/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Tyree_Sneed,_III

I wonder if in that actual plane Reagan signed off some arms to go to Bin Laden that would be pretty ironic.

Probably

priceless:

"I look at our friends in the Latino community as people that ought to be voting Republican," the Ohio governor said at a campaign event, according to The Columbus Dispatch. "I mean, they're very strong family. We could all learn a little from them about the importance of family, couldn't we? Because they are great, they are God-fearing, hard-working folks. And a lot of them do jobs that they're willing to do."

"That's why, in a hotel, you leave a little tip, you know?"

He went on to talk about a hotel maid he met on a trip to Los Angeles, who wrote him a note saying, "I really want you to know that I care about your stay," according to the Los Angeles Times.

"Is that just the greatest thing?" he continued. "So, you know, we can learn a lot and she's Hispanic, 'cause I didn't know it at the time, but I met her in the hallway -- asked her if I could get a little more soap."

JFC

He left her a buck, he wants a return on investment, c'mon

he really thought this through

it's funny how great these GOP prez guys are at occasionally saying something that sounds reasonable or empathetic (Chris Christie's bit about drug treatment or NJ's solar program during the debate, for ex.) and immediately following it with the most tone-deaf, ignorant bullshit

I don't generally go around with a 'white privilege' stamp but holy shit I don't think there could be a better example.

"And a lot of them do jobs that they're willing to do."

Another poll this month pegged the number of Republicans overall who think Obama is a Muslim at 54 percent

Can we just call these guys Kluxervatives now

It'd be more interesting to know if these polling places rewrite this question every time or if they just use the same form they wrote up 7-8 years ago.

hopefully they consistently use the same phrase so that the results can be compared to each other across time

Have they taken into account their injecting bias by constantly polling that question?

Which is obviously why they call themselves "Scots-Irish."
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Sunday, 13 September 2015 23:46 (6 days ago) Permalink

Actually, they don't, except for a handful here and there. Other people do. But by and large they describe their ethnicity as "American".

German-American?
― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 14 September 2015 16:50 (5 days ago) Permalink

correct

the biggest question is the german-american vote. now that obama isn't running, where will they turn???
― 1996 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 14 September 2015 22:57 (5 days ago) Permalink

this should be obvious

and while i'm obviously not claiming that there exists any such monolithic thing, i wouldn't be so quick to laugh either. consider that Ohio, in which German is the predominant ethnic heritage, and in at least one county in which nearly half of residents speak German at home (as do more than 10% in two other counties, as well as in two in IN, two in WI, one each in IA and MO, six in the Dakotas, three in MT, and one in Western NY), voted twice for German/African-American Barack Obama after voting twice for George W. Bush, also of (mostly English but) part-German descent, as it did for his Dad. IA too voted twice for Obama after voting nearly twice for Bush (who won in '04 and lost in '00 by a mere .3%). Going back further you could say that the German-American midwest flipped from the Dems in '48 to German-American Eisenhower in '52 and '56, back to the Dems in '64 if not '60, back to part-German-American Nixon (and his German-American Secretary of State) in '68 and '72, and then back to the Dems in '76: OH and WI did all of this (going Dem in '64 but not '60), IL and IA did it until '76 (when they stayed Republican with (near-)neighbors Ford/Dole by 1-2 pts), and more-Southern MO (the only one of these states that didn't go for Eisenhower) did it starting in the civil rights era in '60. Many of the prominent sub-Presidential politicians from these states are German as well, often appealing across party lines, including Montana's Brian Schweitzer, North Dakota's Kent Conrad, South Dakota's Tom Daschle, Minnesota's Tim Pawlenty and Jesse Ventura, Missouri's Dick Gephardt, Nebraska's Chuck Hagel and Indiana's Dick Lugar, to both of whom Obama played up his close Senatorial ties, and Ohio's John Boehner.

the thing is he really, really looks like an establishment republican. like the exact type of white guy that looks 'presidential' in these circles, where romney looked like a mannequin with dark secrets and jeb looks like he should be the assistant manager at a food court establishment. depending how aggressive he plays the campaign i could see him as a lot of people's go-to pick for veep, in any case.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 02:25 (4 days ago) Permalink

nope, to anglo southerners, and german mid-/mountain-westerners, he looks czech-croatian. not that they actually think that, of course, but subconsciously, he does not strike them as one of their own. which is why he has a little bump in NH where he's all over tv, but is still on the basement stairs nationally. waspy mitt otoh looks the part, even if he doesn't always talk it, and i wouldn't be shocked if he gets in should jeb continue to tank for another two months, rubio continue to look like kid gop president, walker continue to be just an inch taller and xanax bar sleepier, and christie continue to be morbidly obese, threatened with indictment, and sound and act like he's never been south or west of camden.

Trump on Rushmore sounds super amazing and I am totally down to see this happen
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 02:03 (3 days ago) Permalink

would be appropriate given that it was designed by an anti-semite and trump is a roy cohn-trained fascist demagogue who's now inspiring ethnic violence and shrugging at eliminationist rhetoric

Guy who takes my temp and pressure at the chemo clinic was talking up DT to another nurse today. And he's a first-gen immigrant.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 03:38 (3 days ago) Permalink

"happy to be here" (and, often, to bring the taste for authoritarianism they were supposedly leaving behind). each new arrival will look around to see who to step on to climb the ladder of whiteness. extra cheese is $2.

what was pataki's point in running?
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 22:03 (4 days ago) Permalink

make everyone else look better

A pretty knowledgeable friend of mine posted on FB that 30% of evangelicals vote for Democrats.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 16:44 (3 days ago) Permalink

not my milieu, of course, but "evangelical" ≠ right-wing fundamentalist, necessarily, and in particular is descriptive of a lutheran denomination that predominates in the not-infrequently-lefty upper midwest.

I don't know what the actual thought process is that leads someone to say Ben Carson is who I want for president.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 15:30 (4 days ago) Permalink

I think I do. From a 30,000-foot-perspective, it's nearly the same thing that leads someone to support Trump, despite the polar-opposite styles - fear, the core motivation in the GOP base* (alongside, of course, its corollary hate). What are they afraid of? At the broadest level, loss of social/socioeconomic position, principally from the simultaneous decline in wages/jobs and ethnic transformation of the country, particularly through an increase in the number and dispersal of primarily hispanic immigrants, which they stupidly think are causally connected, not to mention the continuing advancement of other groups they sought to beat down to prop themselves up, african-americans especially. Yes, Carson is black, but he's a black defender of the status quo un-level playing field; they like black people just fine if they stay in their place and out of white peoples' wallets and especially when they say so. But racial acceptability is just a predicate, however, to the real issue - Carson assuages their fear because he has a surgeon (and/or fundamentalist)'s preternatural confidence in his own ability(/belief), augmented by the calming effect of his professional presentation skills and perhaps a touch of the "magic negro" trope. Trump assuages their fear in a very different way, with the faux-confidence of his bluster, his faux-not giving a shit what anyone thinks, and his repeated assertions that he would be beholden to no one and win at everything indicating to these or similar voters that he would run over whatever they're afraid of and magically restore whatever they've lost. That some of his supporters are purported religious conservatives who are supposed to object to his should-be-obvious greedy libertine secularism is actually no contradiction at all, because these voters don't actually believe, but rather seek from religion the same thing they do from the candidate - not self-improvement or even quite spiritual sustenance but the reassurance of a simple story in lieu of a too-difficult explanation for something they don't understand. Nor does the candidate's lack of actual qualifications play any role in this thought process as these people are similarly too dumb to understand what does or does not qualify anyone for office. It's the same thing with W and "keeping us safe" - that 9/11 happened on his watch and quite possibly because he was a heedless dumbass does not even begin to cross these voters' minds. They were safe under his administration because his manner made them feel safe.

*the GOP is the fear party, the Dems the hope party. with the further-right and -left wings the extremes of each motivation, with the right drifting into panic and the left into fantasy, neither recognizing the actual nature of the country they live in until elections remind them, leading them to cynical distrust/disaffection if not conspiracy theory, and turning the guns on their own side