a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

Look out, he's going to stab obama with a pen!

I think he's confusing his pencil with a pen.

what's good for the goose is good for the goose. And my goose has a goose!

he's saying he'll reverse obama's executive orders

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-klB3ZwK_E3c/VfdwQ2ZWDUI/AAAAAAAAbbw/LpLMOge5BgM/s1600/Screenshot%2B2015-09-14%2Bat%2B6.10.29%2BPM.png

lonesome rhodes vs chauncey gardner

as for Team Hil holding their fire, from aSanders email today....

I don’t have a Super PAC, Friend. I am not going to travel around the country begging millionaires and billionaires for money. That’s just not going to happen.

But the success of our campaign certainly has the billionaires' attention.

Yesterday, one of Hillary Clinton’s most prominent Super PACs attacked our campaign pretty viciously. They suggested I’d be friendly with Middle East terrorist organizations, and even tried to link me to a dead communist dictator.

It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson, and it’s the second time a billionaire Super PAC has tried to stop the momentum of the political revolution we’re building together.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

also, at the risk of being ageist i think it's also a scandal that makes absolutely no sense to a lot of people. like my mom and dad will never have any clue whatsoever what a server is or how emails can be on different servers and ...just the whole thing. it all gets boiled down to "she lied about a computer thing" to them. it's just a shitty scandal

― 1996 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, September 14, 2015 9:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah to me it's scandalous and idiotic and baffling behavior but i tried explaining it to some people (roughly my age) in the UK who knew nothing about it or personalities or politics (so not too dissimilar from voters in the US) and they didn't understand why it was a big deal. which suggests it might not be a big deal.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/presidential-candidate-lawrence-lessig-goes-one-on-one-with-ars/

i pretty much understand it, and it still doesn't seem like a big deal tbh. especially since there's no actual crime/malfeasance found that they would supposedly be covering up with the private email?

It's not quite on the level of a flag pin, but it's basically a flag pin.

the most breathless version is that she did state business on unsafe servers and we have to assume that the chinese and russians know everything about us now. i have no way to judge the truth of that but that's the argument. there's a personal character twist here that her devious clintonian secrecy (keeping her life away from disclosure and record-keeping laws) ended up giving our secrets away to foreign snoops.

the hypocrisy case is that she was careless about distributing (subsequently?) classified material in a way that lesser people have been mercilessly prosecuted for. which is true enough but less about her than about what the DOJ has done.

but again all stories about clinton AND about spying AND about tech security each come through strong reality distortion fields so i'm pessimistic on ever knowing wtf is up with this

All I can come up with is how her inclination to conceal emails conflicts with what I tell students about public information. Rick Scott was sued successfully last spring by media organizations for concealing info. Maybe we'll watch the NYT and WaPo do the same next year. But I've read enough correspondence between Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR, and non-government people to know that "classified" shit by a government obsessed with secrecy gets spilled to private people all the itme.

its also stuff you would get dinged for pretty hard if this was litigation, but its not, and she didnt break any preservation rules so who cares

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we cannot afford another gefilte fish gap

Hillary Clinton wants to be President, but she can't even keep track of her own gefilte fish. Is this really who we want keeping track of the country's gefilte fish?

the 'left' case is other ppl are in prison for the same or less

Well, except for the entire previous White House. i.e. http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/09/emails-past-and-present.html

jfc i said exactly that

where are we on the gefilte fish? if i'm sleeping, feel free to knock on the bedroom door and come on in. i just need to know where we are.

sometimes i feel so disoriented, like i've been adrift for so long that i don't even know which direction i came from. everything's been turned upside-down so many times, we could be anywhere. i just need to get back to something stable. i just need to know where we are on the gefilte fish

i am against cruelty to fish

Let the component parts of the gefilte fish swim free.

i'm imagining the gefilte fish email read in the whispery Terrence Malick style

Oval Office, gefilte fish, always you wrestle inside me, always you will.

But say all we done is show the world that democracy isn't chaos, that there isn't a greater strength in a people's union? Say we've shown that a people can endure awful sacrifice and yet cohere? Mightn't that save at least the idea of democracy, to aspire to? Eventually to become worthy of? At all rates, whatever may be proven by blood and sacrifice must've been proven by now. Shall we stop this bleeding? Gefilte fish. Where are we on this?

i'm white and i'm old
gefilte fish's cold
i'll compromise
then take full control

Has Drake dropped a "gefilte fish/where are we on this?" verse anywhere?

OH GEFILTE FISH
WHERE ARE WE ON THIS

AMANDA

i have a pretty hard time feeling bad for hillary feeling the heat from this scandal. it was an idiotic move and she brought it on herself

No one feels bad for her – I wish a Death Star would vaporize her – but it's nice to see the junior members of the press, too young for Lewinsky, rediscovering the fun of anonymous sources.

http://newsmachete.com/photos/hillary.jpg

See, I told you. Doesn't look like Billy Joel at all.

No one feels bad for her – I wish a Death Star would vaporize her – but it's nice to see the junior members of the press, too young for Lewinsky, rediscovering the fun of anonymous sources.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who may or may not be members of the benghazi committee

hint: they are

ha, i didn't realize that there will only be 4 seats at the little kids table debate tomorrow:

santorum
graham
jindal
pataki

i keep on forgetting pataki exists. and gilmore. what happened to gilmore?

i feel like gilmore is thumbing for a ride somewhere in iowa, accidentally left behind by his campaign staff

oh: he wasn't invited because he didn't meet the requirement to reach 1% in three major polls.

what was pataki's point in running?

that a man with his name could have been taken seriously as a chief executive. It's Bush's point too.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/15/opinions/jindal-debate-donald-trump/index.html?sr=tw091515jindaltrump0535pgalphotostory

Trump is a madman who must be stopped

By Bobby Jindal

Wow. That's like Canibus-level trolling.

figure someone is paying jindal to dive on top of the hand grenade

haha he is the worst

President Trump today announced that the first season of "The Apprentice: White House Edition" will air on CBS this fall. Contestants, including Gary Busey, Ted Cruz and Kanye West, will vie for Cabinet positions. The announcement came as the newly renamed "Hair Force One" touched down in South Dakota for the unveiling of President Trump's face on Mount Rushmore. Meanwhile, first lady Melania had reason to celebrate as her White House-branded perfume, Trump, by Trump, hit Macy's shelves ...

Illustrating again the problem that what sounds horrifying to the GOP establishment sounds kind of awesome to everyone else.

Trump on Rushmore sounds super amazing and I am totally down to see this happen

And yet this is a moment of great opportunity for America. This is a time when we can make dramatic changes and turn our country around. Americans are ready for a politically incorrect conservative revolution. People want to resurrect the spirit of Reagan and Make America Great Again...I like the idea of a Donald Trump. I love the idea of an outsider who doesn't care about political correctness and who says things you're not supposed to...According to him, his plans will be "fabulous" and "something terrific."...Trump is a great entertainer...We do need to Make America Great Again. We do need to burn down Washington. We do need to eradicate political correctness....It's time we rally behind a serious candidate...vote for Trump.

i don't know, read between the lines, or even better just selected words on every other line, and it sounds like jindal admires him

Americans are ready for a politically incorrect conservative revolution.

it is almost charming to imagine he's convinced himself of this

Trump on Rushmore sounds super amazing and I am totally down to see this happen

i have no doubt in my mind that america is finally ready for a supervillain president