a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

this is exhibition baseball, or worse, football

the moneyed choices play when it counts

There was an interesting article on Talking Points Memo last week, analyzing why Trump's blasts at other candidates are so successful, and how/why he manages to keep "winning" his rhetorical showdowns with all and sundry.

Tbf, if Trump's antics are not what fuck you money is for, I don't know what is. I could imagine him (hypothetically) winning, getting inaugurated, then staging a press conference the next day and saying "you know what, I don't want to be President after all, fuck this, fuck you, fuck off, come stay at my hotel, it's the best."

there's literally a documentary about what a piece of shit trump is. at least one... maybe more

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ve_Been_Trumped

nothing in there the GOP base would find objectionable - I'm talking about serious stuff, criminal behavior

Trump raped his wife and the stories bring it up lasted for 12 minutes. It's hard to imagine a dirtier story being hidden out there somewhere.

When you're that slimy and don't give a fuck, opponents can't really make anything stick because being awful is your brand.

I could imagine him (hypothetically) winning, getting inaugurated, then staging a press conference the next day and saying "you know what, I don't want to be President after all, fuck this, fuck you, fuck off, come stay at my hotel, it's the best."

I actually did this in high school (was elected student council president, immediately resigned, telling the school paper that the point wasn't to be the president, the point was to win the election).

If anything, my guess is that Trump is largely the candidate of people who also imagine they "just don't give a fuck anymore." You know the "mad as hell" type who's "tired of all the bullshit."

I'd say he's the candidate of people who wish they were "rolling coal" - defensive whites who take a special delight in doing things offensive to minorities, women, etc. because they think white males are persecuted and Amurrica's going to hell.

theres alot of mafia connection rumors because of trump's hotels in atlantic city

should we have a separate thread for trump analysis and lols?

i vote nah, because the madness is so intertwined with the rest of the field

I could imagine him (hypothetically) winning, getting inaugurated, then staging a press conference the next day and saying "you know what, I don't want to be President after all, fuck this, fuck you, fuck off, come stay at my hotel, it's the best."

I actually did this in high school (was elected student council president, immediately resigned, telling the school paper that the point wasn't to be the president, the point was to win the election).

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱)

Isn't this a variant Chris Klein's sister did in Election?

should we have a separate thread for trump analysis and lols?

― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, September 1, 2015 4:16 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the whole primary is in orbit around him, i vote no

note that a yes vote will result in a 3-way tie between nah, no, and yes

voting nuh uh

can I just
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"really no fuckin idea what an anchor baby is"

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"humpty dumpty is dead. he can never be put back together again. HE'S DEAD, CHILDREN. and i'm sad to say that his death may be more merciful than many of your inevitable deaths, if statistical trends continue."

talking to the tall kid in the back

Can I just say that don has one of the best display names I've ever seen

Currying favor with the electorate!

the mad as hell contingent: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-winning-over-anti-100012546.html#

Not really a surprise, that's the same rhetoric the Tea Party started with but if you start to talk about before rapidly falling in line with the GOP economic program.

After trying to find the original source of that "brown hand" photo, I notice that J.Ellis wears that shirt everywhere.

I'd say he's the candidate of people who wish they were "rolling coal" - defensive whites who take a special delight in doing things offensive to minorities, women, etc. because they think white males are persecuted and Amurrica's going to hell.
--Kiarostami bag (milo z)

OTM

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man, who got pataki all over the floor?

what's interesting about that to me isn't so much that he's clearly hurt jeb but that walker's swoon and rubio's difficulty gaining any traction can't really be blamed on trump.

the only comparison for this weirdness is perot in june of 92 (and amazing now to think someone, even a billionaire running third party, could wait until june of the election year to announce a run). if trump's denouement approaches perot's for weirdness i will be so happy, though if he says he's bowing out because jeb has pictures of his daughter lezzing it up i'm gonna really have to insist on a firm 'pics or it didn't happen' policy. in fact if anyone here has ties to the trump campaign i might advise preemptively releasing pics of ivanka lezzing it up just to head the bushes off at the pass.

kinda suspect what will eventually do trump in is ppl getting sick of hearing about him or him "shockingly" underperforming in iowa or new hampshire. even then i'm not sure that will matter much to his true believers, it took a long time for palin's audience to shrink (i'd guess around the time she tried to make out she was the real victim of the gabby giffords shooting).

Trump's candidacy is a gift to oppo research and the candidate savvy enough to use it.

(and amazing now to think someone, even a billionaire running third party, could wait until june of the election year to announce a run).

and then dropping out before getting right back in 34 days away from Election Day.

(xpost) I just can't see that. I'm still sure he won't win, but I can't see that it'll be because someone digs something up on him. What illusions could that 28% who support him be harboring? He's a cutthroat billionaire, so I imagine anything financially shady, even illegal, you take as a given--maybe you even admire it. He's been a tabloid guy for decades, with one or two or however many glamorous wives, so what kind of sex scandal could you unearth that would be surprising? I have to believe he's immune to that stuff.

i had to look up the trump rape allegation milo alluded to a few posts ago, because apparently i had no idea, and...ugh

(xpost) I just can't see that. I'm still sure he won't win, but I can't see that it'll be because someone digs something up on him. What illusions could that 28% who support him be harboring? He's a cutthroat billionaire, so I imagine anything financially shady, even illegal, you take as a given--maybe you even admire it. He's been a tabloid guy for decades, with one or two or however many glamorous wives, so what kind of sex scandal could you unearth that would be surprising? I have to believe he's immune to that stuff.
--clemenza

At this point I don't think exhuming and desecrating the remains of St. Ronnie would dent him

(xpost) By sex scandal, I meant a parade of women coming forth as with Herman Cain, not that (which I didn't know about either). When I look up that story on Google, I see it's been out there for a month now--the story being revisited, I mean; it dates back to 1989--and apparently even that hasn't hurt him.

The core of Trump is very old--the rabid, reckless, and completely phony populism--but in other ways, he might be new, or at least give new meaning to the Teflon concept.

i have no idea what hurts him. they've been hitting w/ some heavy rino stuff - donating to hillary, praising an obama policy once (lol at attempting to make trump look like an obama fan), donating to and writing a very nice note to nancy pelosi. NANCY PELOSI. - none of it stuck. the single payer stuff and the anti-wall st stuff doesn't stick and hasn't hurt him. jeb has to be losing his mind. the word 'perot' either comes up a million times everyday or it is understood it is never to come up at all.

brian beutler going 'fuck it, i'll be first on the limb' - http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122689/donald-trump-favorite-win-republican-primary?utm_medium=social&utm_source=nfrb&utm_campaign=20150901

well, there was that poll which emerged yesterday: Trump supporters don't care that he isn't a Republican.

Short of sabotaging Trump by changing the rules in the middle of the race, which would risk driving him to mount an independent candidacy, the race itself will have to take on a completely new character for Trump to lose steam. (The New Republic piece.)

That's what I was thinking would happen at some point--this South Carolina pledge points in that direction (the logic of it, which someone questioned upthread, aside; just the fact that there's an attempt to do something). I'm not sure what the something would be, but I'm sure there's no end to the ways a party can sabotage someone's candidacy if it wants to.

]i have no idea what hurts him. they've been hitting w/ some heavy rino stuff - donating to hillary, praising an obama policy once (lol at attempting to make trump look like an obama fan), donating to and writing a very nice note to nancy pelosi. NANCY PELOSI. - none of it stuck. the single payer stuff and the anti-wall st stuff doesn't stick and hasn't hurt him. jeb has to be losing his mind. the word 'perot' either comes up a million times everyday or it is understood it is never to come up at all.

I kinda always figured they wouldn't let him live down donating money to clinton, but his answer to that (she's a politician who can be bought, and I bought her) was so smooth.

yeah like maybe the real donald trump was a democrat or whatever, i doubt he gave his political beliefs more than ten minutes thought (hell this is probably still true), but that he gave more to dems than republicans historically until a few years back seemed more a reflection that this is someone who made their money in real estate in new york.

When he burns out, I think Cruz is going to end up with the Trump crazies.

OTM about not starting another Trump thread imo

presidential elections have been Terry Southern farces for longer than we realize, as when Nixon went on TV just before the '68 election and in a sadistic reverie said "NOW IT COMES DOWN TO THE NUT CUTTING."

yeah cruz being 'nice' to trump and playing the long game there has been the first thing he's done that betrayed any of the intelligence beltway media types have tried to convince us he harbors. was a little alarmed to see how well he was polling tbh.

it's not even that, I just think the creep has it in him

Good Lord, Dick.

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