Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

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see, this is what turns you into ted kaczynski, when you realize that this sort of environmental catastrophe was inevitable from the beginning of the industrial revolution 200 years ago. but goddam, i do not want to return to a state of nature. hobbes was right. if the only alternative on the table is to re-establish malthusian economics, then hurtling headlong into the unknown, into mass extinctions and mega-genocide, under the foolhardy hope that we'll figure out some way to fix it before it's too late actually becomes the preferable option. fuck subsistence.

rushomancy, Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:27 (ten years ago)

This idea of a whole ocean becoming anoxic is quite scary, imagine the stench from a gigantic globe spanning pond.

xelab, Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:33 (ten years ago)

I am become Elizabeth, New Jersey, destroyer of worlds...

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:36 (ten years ago)

i feel like the human race is reliving the plot of "flowers for algernon"

rushomancy, Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:36 (ten years ago)

When President Bush XIV travels to address aid workers in former Washington State, he will be the first president to travel south of the Arctic Circle in decades.

somewhere between islamic call to prayer and an orgasm (Sanpaku), Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:37 (ten years ago)

https://33.media.tumblr.com/65b3f598635c97b75b76e30e4603adae/tumblr_ntuxa08v2C1qdmmiqo1_500.gif

1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:42 (ten years ago)

ABOARD COAST GUARD CUTTER ALEX HALEY, in the Chukchi Sea —

best dateline

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 August 2015 19:50 (ten years ago)

Climate trauma survival tips from Dr. Lise Van Susteren

somewhere between islamic call to prayer and an orgasm (Sanpaku), Saturday, 29 August 2015 23:32 (ten years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/Dr4Vhip.jpg

― 1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Saturday, August 29, 2015 1:11 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


where is this?

ciderpress, Saturday, 29 August 2015 23:42 (ten years ago)

Las Vegas, 2009, aerial photo by Alex MacLean.

somewhere between islamic call to prayer and an orgasm (Sanpaku), Saturday, 29 August 2015 23:50 (ten years ago)

Even Citibank is saying that taking action on emissions will be less expensive over the long run than doing nothing.
https://www.citivelocity.com/citigps/ReportSeries.action?recordId=41&src=Home

We believe that that solution does exist. The incremental costs of following a low carbon path are in context limited and seem affordable, the 'return' on that investment is acceptable and moreover the likely avoided liabilities are enormous. Given that all things being equal cleaner air has to be preferable to pollution, a very strong "Why would you not?" argument begins to develop.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 30 August 2015 01:04 (ten years ago)

That sort of thing is my only hope, that we somehow end up dumping billions into researching and producing some sort of technology to pull CO2 out of the air, cuz not doing so would cost us way more

frogbs, Sunday, 30 August 2015 12:32 (ten years ago)

It would have to pull it out faster than we're putting it in, which seems unlikely.

Aimless, Sunday, 30 August 2015 18:19 (ten years ago)

Geoengineering carbon sequestration is feasible, but it will be effective on century timescales, not the decadal timescales of our carbon blowout party.

http://dieoff.org/Olduvai.gif

My best case scenario is that after 2° C, permanent loss of New Orleans and Shanghai, hungry middle classes, southern borders lethally guarded against climate refugees, and the denialists have died off, politicians will start taking the issue seriously: Ie coal reserves nationalized and guarded by the military, drone strikes against exploration drillers, crippling trade sanctions against nations that don't enforce high carbon taxes. In that world, while there are still denialists of every religious stripe, their political power is limited by the willingness of a multipolar world to economically enforce a carbon extraction wind-down. I'm disappointed that the UNFCC hasn't floated economic sanctions against bad national actors yet.

2° C is only a milepost enroute to 4° C by 2100, itself only little positive feedback from existential threats at 6-8° C. Its inevitable at that stage that albedo engineering will commence. Locally by mandated white roofing/pavement, globally with stratospheric aerosols. Even Bangladesh could unilaterally afford injecting enough sulfur into the stratosphere. Geoengineering, despite the acid rain and other side effects, will be accepted as the price of continued civilization, and some elements, like biochar to convert cellulose to topsoil, are unambiguously positive.

Are there some geoengineering approaches that would speed carbon sequestration over the course of centuries, so that the albedo engineering can be tapered off as well? Yes. Oceans can be fertilized to spur diatom blooms. Powdered olivine and other silicate minerals can be deposited over both sea and land (including fiercely guarded rainforest refuges) to sequester still more, accelerating the weathering that over geologic time, has resolved past greenhouse episodes. These are projects on the scale of the modern energy industry: wartime efforts. Existential threats, universally understood by elites, are potent motivators.

But for now, I live simply, disseminate knowledge, vote for sanity, and hope for unambiguous early climate disasters that might motivate the elites to get serious.

somewhere between islamic call to prayer and an orgasm (Sanpaku), Sunday, 30 August 2015 20:29 (ten years ago)

The Cross of the Moment

Fermi's Paradox, climate change, capitalism, and collapse are among the subjects discussed in this feature length documentary on the environmental crisis. Interviewees include Bill McKibben, Gary Snyder, Derrick Jensen, Peter D. Ward, Jill Stein, Bill Patzert, Guy McPherson and other top academics, scientists and public intellectuals.

statisticians the world over rejoice (Sanpaku), Thursday, 3 September 2015 17:48 (ten years ago)

read 'jill stein' as 'ben stein' for a sec there and was deeply confused

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 3 September 2015 20:38 (ten years ago)

sickening:

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/welcome-to-beautiful-parkersburg/

― scott seward, Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:27 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just got around to reading this. Outrageous, horrifying story. Great reporting.

Nhex, Sunday, 6 September 2015 05:58 (ten years ago)

how is this not treason?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/gop-congress-climate-pact-paris-213382?ifatfirst

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 21:54 (ten years ago)

This was hopeful while still realistic. So sad that the American GOP is the only thing left standing in the way of doing something about climate change.

schwantz, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 05:10 (ten years ago)

watching the syrian refugee crisis unfold recently is leading me to low-level terror about how bad things are going to get when the world starts seeing climate refugees on the move en-masse from their flooded / drought-afflicted homes

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 10 September 2015 16:42 (ten years ago)

I'm interested to see how very wealthy refugees will be treated and how they'll deal.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:15 (ten years ago)

the USA has always welcomed very wealthy immigrants with open arms, but you must be filthy rich to merit the VIP treatment

Aimless, Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:18 (ten years ago)

thx for the link schwantz I hadn't seen that yet

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 17:23 (ten years ago)

So sad that the American GOP is the only thing left standing in the way of doing something about climate change.
― schwantz, Wednesday, September 9, 2015 12:10 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just the scum of the earth... good thing they seem in free-fall. that article by proxy almost makes a hilary presidency sound like a dream, as skeptical of her as i am.s

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:29 (ten years ago)

Without control of Congress, any dem president, whether Hillary or otherwise, will not be able to undertake the kind of broad actions required to make substantial progress on climate change.

Aimless, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:37 (ten years ago)

that's not entirely true

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:43 (ten years ago)

(as he points out in the article) pres can do a lot by fiat via agency rules and regulations, as long as it's upheld by the courts

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:44 (ten years ago)

and already has

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:44 (ten years ago)

and of course individual states can do a lot (we're not waiting for the feds in CA, for ex.), it's compelling these other stupid states, like say Texas, that's the issue on the national level

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:49 (ten years ago)

I don't think Gwynne Dyer was far wrong writing about future borders in Climate Wars.

statisticians the world over rejoice (Sanpaku), Thursday, 10 September 2015 22:47 (ten years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGMrGlAHUq0

Guy in the middle is the Australian Prime Minister, guy on right is minister for immigration

badg, Friday, 11 September 2015 15:24 (ten years ago)

All three are utter shitbags

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Saturday, 12 September 2015 04:20 (ten years ago)

"There's a mic right there" is an amazing answer to that joke

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 13 September 2015 16:17 (ten years ago)

As explanation for them being utter shitbags, I should add that they're climate change deniers, actively trying to ban windfarms, promote dirty coal use and, incidentally, responsible for a system that locks up refugees, including many children, in concentration camps where they're raped, tortured, denied medical care and, occasionally, murdered

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Monday, 14 September 2015 01:51 (ten years ago)

facts: bad for business!

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/nineteen-house-members-introduce-resolution-to-impeach-epa-chief.html/

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 14 September 2015 23:53 (ten years ago)

We Can Do It!

Winkelmann R et al. 2015. Combustion of available fossil fuel resources sufficient to eliminate the Antarctic Ice Sheet. Science Advances DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.1500589

statisticians the world over rejoice (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 06:36 (ten years ago)

just the title of that makes me feel sick

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 06:51 (ten years ago)

People of 6000 CE, sorry about the mess. Hope you all figured out the house-boat thing. Just so you know, flying was really cool.

http://i.imgur.com/rRLSYBl.gif
http://i.imgur.com/OxePtTa.gif

statisticians the world over rejoice (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 06:53 (ten years ago)

never thought i'd have to say this, but both jg ballard and kevin costner otm i guess

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 08:06 (ten years ago)

ursula le guin, too

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 12:30 (ten years ago)

a few scientists as well

1996 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 13:04 (ten years ago)

pfft i get all my science updates from the star of tin cup thanks

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 13:38 (ten years ago)

the Bad Guys who are smart usually do figure that shit out early

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 September 2015 20:34 (ten years ago)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/16/hitlers-world-may-not-be-so-far-away

j., Saturday, 19 September 2015 14:34 (ten years ago)

A review of Snyder's Black Earth lead me to listen to his prior Bloodlands this week. Harrowing, and goes a long way to explaining why Belarus and Ukraine are fucked up to this day. While the Poles were no angels, its a bit miraculous that their politics seems relatively sane, 70 years later.

statisticians the world over rejoice (Sanpaku), Saturday, 19 September 2015 21:49 (ten years ago)

profit time!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/amorylovins/2015/09/21/four-trends-driving-profitable-climate-protection/

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:35 (ten years ago)

have we already linked the recent RS story?

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 22:19 (ten years ago)

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/what-megablazes-tell-us-about-the-fiery-future-of-climate-change-20150915

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 22:26 (ten years ago)


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