Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

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Fair enough, DJP, but instinct and past experience tells me that even to the extent that their crazy base overlaps with the crazy racist GOP base, they can't afford politically to be seen as approving any limitations whatsoever.

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:02 (ten years ago)

I also don't remember a sustained uproar about disabling Twitter autoplay when people were passing around video of Walter Scott being chased down and shot by Michael Slager but, given the ephemeral nature of the Twitter timeline, I might have missed it.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:02 (ten years ago)

I don't recall it myself. But I'm trying to remember -- this video was native to Twitter. Was the Scott video like that as well?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:10 (ten years ago)

I don't remember tbh; that was the detail I was trying to recall when I initially had the reaction to my timeline that I had to see if I was being unfair/overly sensitive.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:12 (ten years ago)

both vids are cold blooded killings but this one's quite a bit more graphic

rip van wanko, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:12 (ten years ago)

Then again, I did successfully avoid the Scott video until ABC Nightly News used it as a teaser for their broadcast without preamble or warning during a commercial break for Ellen so it probably wasn't as blatantly out there.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:14 (ten years ago)

I'm amazed that Twitter wasn't faster taking it down. I had enough time to find the account, flag the individual videos, flag the account. If it's an obscure ISIS account, that's one thing; but when the guy's name was on the news and it still took about 15 minutes to take it down...

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:15 (ten years ago)

15 minutes is pretty fast!

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:18 (ten years ago)

apparently he's not dead

flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:18 (ten years ago)

TV networks did loop the walter scott killing with total callousness; seems like there was lots of uproar about that, at least among twitter ppl i follow

it does seem to me like twitter has become much more video intensive in the last couple months or even weeks. just about every promoted tweet runs a full commercial now; this is a recent development

then, yeah, the shooter posted his own first-person video of the killing to twitter which i think is an absolute first

goole, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:19 (ten years ago)

sadly, there's no way in hell it'll be the last

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:20 (ten years ago)

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/636573142350200833

flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:20 (ten years ago)

I don't want to see videos of anyone being murdered, which is why I don't watch Faces of Death/network news.

Herbie Mann's Push Push Pops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:20 (ten years ago)

Those videos made me really glad Google Glass shit the bed.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:49 (ten years ago)

Those videos made me really glad Google Glass shit the bed.

The 2012 Toulouse shooter filmed his killings with a Go-Pro strapped to his body. He set-them to music and Koranic verse. He sent them to Al-Jazeera who agreed not to broadcast them.

you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:00 (ten years ago)

i saw the video by mistake while the account was still up

fuck

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:01 (ten years ago)

xp Didn't know about that, damn

Nhex, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:01 (ten years ago)

ban first person shooters

flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 17:02 (ten years ago)

more details about shooter
http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339

hunangarage, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 18:29 (ten years ago)

ban TV

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 18:32 (ten years ago)

xp interesting so was he the ex of the cameraman?

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 18:34 (ten years ago)

i saw the "ex" angle earlier but i'm not seeing corroboration of it.

goole, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 18:40 (ten years ago)

hm ok thx almost all my info has been just this thread

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 18:41 (ten years ago)

Based on this clusterfuck of a rant I don't know what to think.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 18:44 (ten years ago)

Yet another spree shooter with completely incoherent reasons for doing what he did. And yet another above-board gun purchase by someone who was clearly mentally ill.

Herbie Mann's Push Push Pops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:03 (ten years ago)

Not sure how much coherence it makes sense to expect from spree shooters.

Also not sure how mentally ill this guy may have appeared while purchasing the gun, which is kinda why you'd want more stringent background checks.

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:08 (ten years ago)

Would background checks have even caught this guy? At least so far, he has no history that we know of.

Nhex, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:10 (ten years ago)

This world bums me out, guns bum me out. I got grossed out last month by some of my pals posting videos of themselves shooting high powered weapons at a shooting range and begged out of a shooting range experience during a bachelor party weekend in vegas to go drink by myself instead. we've made guns into instruments of justice and central to our society in pop culture even though in real life people rarely see them in use and I think their iconography is really inspiring to people who feel wronged, like this dead creep from today. it all sucks.

nomar, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:13 (ten years ago)

Yeah, I don't know how coherent my own response to this is, really. Just mostly feeling what nomar is feeling. I don't know where this ends. Or if it's just going to continue in perpetuity.

Herbie Mann's Push Push Pops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:20 (ten years ago)

“As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”

am0n, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:24 (ten years ago)

i recommend unplugging, all the way

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:48 (ten years ago)

Harris and Klebold meet the profile of the angry white male shooter. They even admired Hitler. Guess the guy didn't study his peers enough.

Shooter is black and gay = Twitter explodes.

This is sick, it reads like a comedy, it's sick how it has become entertainment.

Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:04 (ten years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qVf_jDttGk

hunangarage, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 20:49 (ten years ago)

^ holy shit. seems like a post mortem supercut but the dude himself made it 4 years ago

flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 21:29 (ten years ago)

taken down, wut was it

am0n, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 21:30 (ten years ago)

nm the link off works

am0n, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 21:31 (ten years ago)

Palm readers and psychics are banned in 25 counties in their state?

how's life, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 22:00 (ten years ago)

Harris and Klebold meet the profile of the angry white male shooter.

No, they don't. Eric Harris was a bullying psychopath and Dylan Klebold was a whimpering sycophant who let Harris lead him around by the nose.

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 22:13 (ten years ago)

Don't see how that makes them not prototypical at all. Can't picture a racial minority or female acting the same way. What they did was very fascist - they were better than everyone else and resentful of others' success.

Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 22:17 (ten years ago)

i really don't think ideology is at the root of any of these shootings. most of these shooters describe feeling isolated and, in various ways, humiliated, like their peers think they are inferior. this psychological profile leads them, imo, to seek out ideologies that make sense of their feelings. (of course, the ideologies can end up reinforcing their negative feelings, or directing them in certain ways)

Treeship, Thursday, 27 August 2015 00:25 (ten years ago)

the ideology is that no one should have access to any fucking gun

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 August 2015 00:30 (ten years ago)

yeah i'm with you there

Treeship, Thursday, 27 August 2015 00:32 (ten years ago)

This world bums me out, guns bum me out. I got grossed out last month by some of my pals posting videos of themselves shooting high powered weapons at a shooting range and begged out of a shooting range experience during a bachelor party weekend in vegas to go drink by myself instead. we've made guns into instruments of justice and central to our society in pop culture even though in real life people rarely see them in use and I think their iconography is really inspiring to people who feel wronged, like this dead creep from today. it all sucks.

― nomar, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:13 (Yesterday) Permalink

Yeah, I don't know how coherent my own response to this is, really. Just mostly feeling what nomar is feeling. I don't know where this ends. Or if it's just going to continue in perpetuity.

― Herbie Mann's Push Push Pops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 19:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 27 August 2015 01:11 (ten years ago)

Peter Nickeas, crime reporter for the Chicago Tribune, made a public Facebook post:

The difference between the shooting this morning in Virginia and every other act of gun violence is that the internet had to see the fear on a woman's face as she realized she was about to die.

There is a regularity to violence in urban areas. Today everyone saw what violence looks like, except the victims are usually a little younger and have darker skin. It's not often on tape so the reaction isn't so visceral. This is what violence feels like to people who see it happen, we can now all say, because we've all seen it happen.

In Chicago alone, it happens more than 2,000 times each year. Go to a crime scene and ask kids if they have seen someone shot. And the answer will be, "well, the first time ..." What the Internet is going through right now is almost a rite of passage for kids in urban areas.

So for everyone sitting at work saying, "man, that video messed me up," well, yea. It should mess you up. It's a disgusting thing to watch. For everyone who says "I can't even" or "I need to disengage today," those are normal reactions to exposure to violence. Seek help if seeing people get hurt doesn't bother you.

And, the emotional me wants to grab people by their collars and drag them to a crime scene so they can see the ghostly faces of people who saw it happen lingering around waiting for detectives, or the anger behind someone's eyes while they sit there staring at the body.

The logical me knows that's not right. I can't begrudge someone for being fortunate enough to have never seen or been exposed to violence.

I was stewing on all this on the train this morning. I was (and sort of still am) having a hard time with educated people from nice homes in nice neighborhoods who went to nice schools being outraged by something that is a regular occurrence. (Just this morning, someone shot into a crowd with an automatic weapon on the West side, killing one and wounding three others.)

I thought, to myself, I can't deal with the outrage and the hot takes and the grief, so I'm just going to leave social media for the day. I'm going to transcribe interviews and enjoy the scanners and go to an event for work tonight, maybe have a giant glass of Jameson when I get home and sleep in tomorrow.

And this woman stepped on the train, I think it was at Damen, with a small child in a stroller. She was 9 months old, wore a white bonnet, a blue-and-white striped shirt and had giant brown eyes. Her eyes moved around the train, from face to face, soaking it all in. She had a sort of mischievous grin. (One that my father would call "a shit-eating grin.")

She made faces at me, I'm fairly certain, so I made faces back. The woman who was sitting next to me was waving and seemed to derive great pleasure from seeing the child find delight in new sights and sounds. Innocence personified.

So I go back and forth between - this world is fucked, that it's in someone's head to film a murder and upload it to social media. But there's some good to live for, even if it's just children who haven't yet had to face the reality that everyone today is now facing.

It hurts to think though that this chubby-cheeked child with endless curiosity and eyes that could melt you is going to grow into a world where, yea, seeing violence is sort of normal. And if she lives in any number of areas in this city, it will probably happen sooner than later. A friend, a relative, a loved one.

Kids in urban areas don't have the option to turn off social media if they don't want to see violence. They can't just say, I'm going to stay off Twitter. It's real life, it's not a video on the internet. They stay on the block. It's a relative who was shot, or beat, or stabbed. Or worse, it was them.

Kids see the "oh shit" look on someone's face right before they get shot. And the video doesn't cut off. They hear the gunfire, see the body, see the police, see how the family reacts. Soaking it all up. And we wonder why a percentage of kids end up violent or starving for adult attention when they have to internalize all that anger and grief that the internet, collectively, felt today.

You wouldn't show the videos to your nieces and nephews. You'd go to great pains to prevent it from happening. City violence, any city, is often met with a collective "shrug."
I'm sorry everyone had to see those videos. I am. But also ponder that feeling you have in the pit of your stomach and the effect it might have on someone half your age who doesn't get to look away.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 27 August 2015 05:01 (ten years ago)

That's terrific.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 August 2015 05:17 (ten years ago)

needed, thank you

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 27 August 2015 05:28 (ten years ago)

that's a fantastic piece - thanks for posting

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 27 August 2015 09:44 (ten years ago)

I was just coming on here to wonder if I was a prude for being weirded out by front pages of the newspapers here being the Doom-like still from the murderer's video with the gun in the shot. I didn't realise that anyone would be actually showing footage on the news?

It's a good post, but "I'm sorry everyone had to see those videos" is bullshit - you don't have to see them.

The NRA, that I've seen, tend to suggest that Blacks With Guns is a reason you should have guns, even if you're a (good, wholesome, middle-class) black person that they like to proudly display as a member - a weaponised version of that Chris Rock sketch.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 27 August 2015 10:15 (ten years ago)

i guess it's too optimistic to hope that anyone who thinks that the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun might change their mind after seeing the shooters' first-person video - it all happens so fast that there's no way anyone could have done anything to intervene

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 27 August 2015 12:02 (ten years ago)

Can someone help me figure out which mental illness these shooters suffer from? As if medication would stop a mass shooting. Why can't anyone come up with a more intelligent, knowledgeable answer for why these things happen? "Mental illness" is just ignorant.

Fake Sam's Club (I M Losted), Thursday, 27 August 2015 14:24 (ten years ago)


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