a clown car full of millionaires: the 2016 presidential primary thread

and he is white, and old, and bitter so there's some appeal to the GOP base somewhere in there

what are you people on the ground in south carolina telling you about sanders fredrick? what's the buzz on the streets??

i'll check back at Christmas and see if your joeks have improved

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Anti-big banks too. He could probably win a lot of republican votes if he tried being a jerk.

i genuinely can't tell with all the gabbneb wannabes we have around here but like, i assume the vast majority of us would, on the issues, prefer a bernie presidency to a hilary one? like when shakey says he "doesn't support" a bernie candidacy he means he thinks it's futile and it's not worth his ten bucks?

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XXXXXXpost: tbf, that tub of butter DOES look like donald trump

Just want to make sure I understand:

There are people here arguing with a dude from Denmark about a primary that's months away based on poll conducted by historically mediocre YouGov...

hey I like Bernie, I agree w him about a lot of stuff (not everything). But no, I don't think he will win, and this is all essentially a sideshow. On the other hand even if he could win I honestly don't think he would be that good a president. Despite his ideological positions, he doesn't seem particularly suited to leading a party (much less a country), being good in a crisis, wrangling legislation through congress, navigating foreign policy etc. He's fine, even valuable, in the Senate. I don't see him being a successful president.

Aren't the primaries themselves by definition a sideshow?

idk do sideshow acts "graduate" to the big tent?

via the table is the table:

https://askaboutfukushimanow.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/lucy-charlie-brown-voting.jpg

things do really change, just maybe not in the ways people expect (or want)

yes, like Obama expanding surveillance beyond Cheneyesque boundaries

Gays can get married, women can file suit for unsafe working conditions, Wall Street firms feel a bit more insecure, and Florida will disappear under rising sea water. Not a bad six years.

yes Obama and Dubya are exactly alike, glad we settled that morbz

Brother Sanders

i'm just so, so, so happily smug that i don't vote.

― for reasons of sass (the table is the table), Saturday, September 1, 2012 6:18 AM (2 years ago)

get stufft shakes

(bcz, as on surveillance, Obama's worse)

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here Doc - do you think Sanders *is* going to appeal outside of that sphere? To latinos? Non-college educated whites?

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes! That is exactly what I think. Not appeal massively, not appeal across-the-board, not appeal like "win a nomination" appeal. But sure, appeal. The tea leaf I'll choose to selectively read here would be that nurse's union endorsement. Old give-em-hell barnstorming for The Workers still has natural constituencies, even if they are not election-winning ones. Many of these constituencies are uphill battles for sure. I dunno, I just think that, for example with black voters, it'd be more reasonable (plus more interesting, ILX-wise) to watch Sanders spend the next 4-6 months pitching his spiel and see if he actually strikes a chord or if people go "yeah whatever thanks for trying, Well-Meaning But Clueless White Grandpa," than to just assume in advance that the latter is the only possible scenario.

uh, frank luntz's legs are shaking.

Luntz conducted a focus group of 29 people from Washington, D.C. and its suburbs that either like or adore the GOP front-runner, paying each participant for the more than two-hour session Monday night, the magazine reported.

“I used to sleep on my front porch with the door wide open, and now everyone has deadbolts,” one man said during the session, according to TIME. “I believe the best days of the country are behind us.”

“I’m frustrated beyond belief. I feel like I’ve been lied to,” a woman said. “Nothing’s getting better.”

“We know his goal is to make America great again,” another woman said. “It’s on his hat. And we see it every time it’s on TV. Everything that he’s doing, there’s no doubt why he’s doing it: it’s to make America great again.”

After the group watched recordings of Trump's political flip flops and remarks on women, the individuals reportedly said they liked Trump even more.

“You guys understand how significant this is?” Luntz asked reporters, according to TIME. “This is real. I’m having trouble processing it. Like, my legs are shaking.”

“I want to put the Republican leadership behind this mirror and let them see. They need to wake up. They don’t realize how the grassroots have abandoned them,” Luntz continued. “Donald Trump is punishment to a Republican elite that wasn’t listening to their grassroots.”

30 years ago a child would kick a deadbolt on the front porch with the door wide open.

idk do sideshow acts "graduate" to the big tent?

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:21 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

basically Sanders is currently Mr. Lifto and we need to change him into Perry Farrell

Donald Trump: The Wrath of God

“We know his goal is to make America great again,” another woman said. “It’s on his hat.

America, ladies and gentlemen

this whole thing is very:

http://fox-actors.blogspot.com/2011/08/fuck-hats.html

Focus group of 29 people.

former kos pundit "billmon" tries to diagnose the current moment

idk it's a little heady (and twitter's threading is awful now) but interesting

Billmon ‏@billmon1 57m57 minutes ago

14) Globalized, cosmopolitian plutocratic elite increasingly sees white US or European workers as just pale-skinned proles. Nothing special.

15) And so wage premium for white labor -- the price of subaltern imperialism -- is melting away. Immigration or outsourcing: result is same

16) Meanwhile, cultural values increasingly shared by globalized elites (or at least European & American branches) are feared/loathed...

17) ...by traditionalists in almost every culture, although not always for the same reasons.

18) Since swath of US is mentally still living in 17th century (having essentially missed the Enlightenment) cultural friction is high here.

er forgot the link to the whole thing

https://twitter.com/billmon1/status/636261804780486660

You can plug those quotes into a Reagan focus group in 1980, a W focus group in 2004.

i dunno this trump thing...it's got a weird energy that reminds me of jesse ventura

LOL amazing. The ruling elites are starting to look down on the lower class you say?

When "billmon" wrote that was just after 4:20pm so keep that in consideration.

it's def of a piece with recent analyses (if i can find them again) that the existence of soviet communism was worth x amount of redistribution in the form of social democratic welfarism in noncommunist countries. now that the evil empire is gone the new set of financial/tech elites are eager to strip it all back

one of billmon's other hobbyhorses is a return of 19th century style politics; a lot of this trump shit and the various strains of rejected conservatism that support him does feel really pre-ww2 to me as a phenomenon

Know Nothing Party

for sure

it's def of a piece with recent analyses (if i can find them again) that the existence of soviet communism was worth x amount of redistribution in the form of social democratic welfarism in noncommunist countries. now that the evil empire is gone the new set of financial/tech elites are eager to strip it all back

Together with learning to what degree the CIA funneled movie into the arts, I'm beginning to pine for the Brezhnev days.

"We know his goal is to make America great again," a woman said. "It's on his hat."

one of billmon's other hobbyhorses is a return of 19th century style politics; a lot of this trump shit and the various strains of rejected conservatism that support him does feel really pre-ww2 to me as a phenomenon

― goole, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:24 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Im kind of in this camp.. the world wars and the massive shift of wealth from the british empire to the US took the US into the most prosperous century ever seen and created a sense of a 'new normal' that might prove to be the exception rather than the rule.

man, imagine if he changes hats, that woman's mind is going to be BLOWN

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in other news, JEB! does women's health issues!

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-planned-parenthood-criticism-121721.html#ixzz3jqpNyu2o

“I, for one, don’t think Planned Parenthood ought to get a penny though, and that’s the difference because they’re not actually doing women’s health issues,”

what are they doing

oh right -- selling baby parts like radiator hoses

doing dirt

maybe the hokey pokey

http://videogamewriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MarioCap-Wings.png

that woman's mind is going to be BLOWN

feel like this is a comedy sketch that writes itself, the woman whose life is guided entirely by things she reads on hats

hehe

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/251836-trump-quotes-bushs-mother-in-attack-video

lol

man they really hate each other